IPalindromeI
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2004 also does it with the compatibility pack. (So will Windows Office 2000/2002/2003, if you're running at least 2000.) Combine with native WebDAV support and you should be good to go.
We'd have learned about OpenVMS intrusion kits from the black market if they existed. We did learn about some flaws and elevations, but that's all.Sites running VMS/OpenVMS are probably government related and won't be giving out information on hacks unless it is very important.
There seem to be a few hacks going around that target small to medium size companies that end up getting their data encrypted and you must pay for a key to use your data again.
I think most systems or specific interfaces (routers for one) to those systems are insecure because they no longer get bug fixes. Its not just the OS but programs you run or hardware you connect to the system or ports you just leave open. Since most people want their hobby systems to get on the net, but have no real data they are worried about and probably don't have bank information on those systems they don't care about hacks. Even a secure OS running over WEP wireless can get your data stolen. I guess as long as those systems that can be hacked are not online 24/7 connected via networking to important systems you are probably ok.
I don't recall making a direct statement that old == insecure. If I did, I definitely renege on it now, (and have been for a few years) because the thing that worries me most about network security and vintage operating systems is really about systems that are on the cusp between new and old where an attacker could use the system for plenty of nefarious deeds (spam, * reflection, DDoS attacks, unauthorized cryptocurrency mining, whatever) without being detected by somebody using it. Pretty much anything new enough to run 10.5 but old enough not to run 10.11(1) is worrying from this perspective.I don't agree with Cory5412's summary that old == insecure, because I have not found the trove of high profile intrusions in to VMS / OpenVMS sites or tales of how System 7 / 8 / Mac OS 9 systems are being overrun by bandits. When I've asked about ACTUAL, exploitable vulnerabilities in Leopard, I got none. I was genuinely interested, because I'm still running Leopard on several public servers, and aside from updating OpenSSL and a few daemons using it, they're pretty stock.
OpenVMS (and other "mini" operating systems such as OS/400) are interesting because you don't hear about security vulnerabilities on them. I haven't researched it closely, but OpenVMS and OS/400 (now called iSeries I believe) are different enough from UNIX that I don't think most attacks that can be done to UNIX systems are going to work on them. They're a more valuable target, but shops running these systems are a lot more likely to employ professionals to secure them (than somebody who buys a G5 off the street is likely to know how to secure it or to hire someone to run it securely.)Sites running VMS/OpenVMS are probably government related and won't be giving out information on hacks unless it is very important.
One of the more interesting things about this thread has been different takes on what makes a computer usable.I don't really consider those two benchmarks the end all be all for a computer, hence I chill on 68kmla.org.
It will be interesting to see how the Talos workstation does. It's very costly, but it's still a lot less costly than... say... a Blade 1000 was in 2002. I hope that this thing succeeds. There's some other efforts on the Amiga scene, and some of those are spinning out into a more generic system more tailored for BSD/Linux.Speaking about PowerPC in modern times, it's interesting how POWER is now being sold as more secure because we don't have these mysterious bits of hardware in the CPU which do things we know nothing about and capabilities about which we can only speculate:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=talos-workstation
I definitely think "the cloud" will be shown to be completely insecure because it's nothing more than a marketing push to get everyone to put everything in to a big collection of x86 machines, each of which is running hypervisors which can allow access to data without the intermediate OS or end user ever knowing. Perhaps PowerPC (the platform) is more secure than we realize.