The Definitive Guide to Connecting your SE/30

[Mk.558]

System 7.5.5 (for any Macintosh install)

OpenTransport 1.1

Netscape Navigator 3.01

1) ... :-/ "For Any Macintosh"? Really? It'd take up a lot less space and start up faster without wasted control panels and INITs.

2) Where did you get NN 3.01? All I could find was a corrupted .hqx archive.

3) Version 2.1 of the Guide is on the way. Rest assured, it's very much better We've pretty much finished the text, now we need to have fun inserting all the pictures and a final checkup.

 

[zuiko21]

1) That universal 7.5.5 is my one-size-fits-all system copied on almost every SCSI disk at home, from the LC to the 7600/G3... the SE/30 usually runs on 7.1 (with quite a few complements) leaving 7.5.5 for Drive Setup and web access. That machine is still pending optimization :b&w:

2) Don't know for sure... maybe a well-preserved backup from my very first days on Internet (1996) or most likely from the plethora of MacWorld CD's I got. PM if you need something, got several versions for sure (these were freely distributed back in the day, weren't they?)

3) Great! Thanks a lot for your work! I have tried putting online my recently recapped Mac II with 7.1 (8 MB RAM + 40 MB HD makes it hard for 7.5.5) without success so far... MacTCP 2.0.4 seems so quirky > I'll re-read this interesting post in case I get some ideas.

Unfortunately, I can't reply to this thread from the SE/30 -- the large amount of pictures (even disabled by default!) on the Topic review scrolling window is more than NN 3.01 can handle xx( But otherwise works fine in the forum.

 

[Mk.558]

Version 2.1 XHTML version released.

Catch up here let me know what you think!

Special thanks to mcdermd for hosting and invaluable HTML help.

 

[Mk.558]

Any new discoveries? Comments, concerns?

If anybody can confirm OS 10.3.9 to SSW 6.0.8 connection through AFP, that'd be cool.

Once I can get Ubuntu working properly, then I can get Netatalk going. Grub isn't playing nice with Windows XP at the moment.

 

[marchie]

Does anyone have a MacTCP download? The tutorial refers to a link that doesn't have the full vrison, only a patch, and the Apple site doesn't have a MacTCP download. I need a 2.0 series.

I'm trying to get My SE, SE30, or Classic2 up and running, using that wonderful of items: The SCSI Ethernet Adapter!

 

[Mk.558]

I would recommend using MacTCP 2.1, but you have to update a 2.0.6 version to get 2.1.

The version 2.1 link should be able explain things a little bit better.

 

[Mk.558]

New additions:

-Added an entire new section to handle new random information such as what was added today: handling disk images under Classic, Mac OS X and Linux. Windows will come along as soon as Netatalk is setup properly and is demonstrated properly.

- Moved and changed the SSW6NAD section. Say there is a little tidbit that could be quite useful...

- Updated section on FTP to include Linux, or at least some version of Linux that is outdated. (I couldn't handle 10.04 LTS. And 10.04 LTS support is supposed to be ending in a little while.)

- Updated NetPresenz section to show an additional image of how the Log shows your IP address when starting up. Nice.

- Couple of fixes here and there.

Hope yall like it!

To come sometime...soon when it comes: how to telnet in, Netatalk, using HFV Explorer, and once I get 7.6.1 on the Duo (that'll take a while) I'll have to verify if 7.6.1 with AFP 3.8.3 will hook up with 10.5. It is supposed to, but I'd like to verify myself (or have a creditable source here).

After that, there won't be much to add for awhile, unless I obtain a copy of WS2000/2003, which probably will never happen.

A word count shows around over 75,180 characters. Good. More to come. (Way over the board limit of 60,000 characters.)

 

[Mk.558]

Today:

-Added a section about Linux with Netatalk. The same day I got it working (yesterday) was the same day I removed it and will not go back again to Linux. Put XP on its partition and won't look back. (I do miss 9.10 though, or 10.04 LTS with the human-theme, if Windows 7 looked like that and was as clean, plus worked well, I'd pass on XP and buy it the same week.)

-Updated with more info on disk images. Good catch on balrog pointing out that Disk Copy 6.3.3 disregards tag date vital for 400 and 800K disk images. (Stupid.)

-Fixed the More Info link on header.

-Added more links in the Links section and tuned up the section so it is more organized.

-General clean up. (forgot to update the date of last revision. oh well next time)

As the article says, if anybody out there can give me a real solid rundown on how to build, compile, and make Netatalk work with these classic Macs, I'm all ears. (I could get it to compile and build, but it wouldn't put netatalk in the proper folders. So I couldn't even get it started. First I tried 9.10, oops it's unsupported, okay let's got to 10.04 LTS, that doesn't work either, and use 11.10 solely for this section. Absolutely hate the look and change.)

 

[Mk.558]

Been pretty quiet here, I guess the silence is a nod of approval

Working another update. Finished making some useful 800K and 1440K disk images for those soldiers stuck in hard terrain. Funny how whenever I make an important discovery, I end up having to re-examine entire sections to see if they are moot or need to be rewritten :-x

I'll have to make some headway on taking a look at Netscape 4.01 and 3.04, I'll be reporting back to the rear line (here) for results. 2.02 isn't real hot unless you're using Gopher, which reminds me...Did I talk about integrated Gopher support in IE? ...nope

I've wondered a bit about mentioning Target Disk mode, I used it last weekend to restore my iBook using my Mac mini's CD drive. Worked great. But I can't speak for the older Macs, I'm not very fluent in the individual quirks of the models across the entire span. The UltraDock 16SC and SCE support Target Disk mode, but since my Duo is in parts right now and I have no compatible SCSI cable, it'll have to wait a bit. I highly doubt TDM is supported by most pre-1995 machines.

 

[Blougram]

Great guide, great job. Kudos!

I have finally managed to get my trusty old SE/30 connected to the information superhighway at work, using a Dynalink SCSI ethernet converter. Unfortunately I have not been able to install OpenTransport so I had to make do with MacTCP - a less than ideal solution seeing that I am essentially "highjacking" my own IP number. To avoid IP conflicts (i.e. InterPersonal ones, between me and the network administrator) I will try to get OT up and running as soon as possible. Should be a breeze, though, since I can now download the disk images straight onto my SE/30 instead of having to burn a CD or transfer them on floppies.

Setup:

SE/30 40/20

System 7.1 / MacTCP

Dynalink SCSI

Netscape 2.0

External 24" LCD monitor

With javascript turned off Netscape 2.0 is very snappy. Webmail (Fastmail.fm) is a pleasure to use, as is Google. Facebook, however, keeps redirecting me to the mobile page. For some reason, Netscape is unsure of what to do with mobile web pages (I am asked to download the source code). Does anyone know if Netscape 3.X can handle these?

Speed is alright. I can download files in 60-70 kB/s. Unfortunately I have to disconnect my external 2 GB HD when using the Dynalink. Need to get hold of more SCSi cables. :b&w:

A bit of iCandy on my external SE/30 monitor:

And in all its monochrome glory...

 

[Mk.558]

Nice. It's calling home!

I could add a picture of your SCSI rig (a nicely composed shot preferred) to the Guide if you'd like. When you installed NSI 1.5.1, what selection did you use (if you customized the install)?

I find myself turning green with envy at your Display card. I might have to pick one up someday, however once the Duo is resuscitated I don't think that will be necessary.

I was going to make a section in the Guide about how to handle .jpg images. I tried GIFConverter but it just giggled at me. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. (Probably) In the meantime I just opened it in iCab and after about 5 minutes of full load, behold:

(Here is the original, in case anybody was interested.)

 

[Bunsen]

External 24" LCD monitor

What display card are you using, and what resolutions, color/bit depths & timings are you able to get from it? A note on the LCD monitor itself would probably also be handy for people here.

 

[Blougram]

What display card are you using, and what resolutions, color/bit depths & timings are you able to get from it? A note on the LCD monitor itself would probably also be handy for people here.

It's a Rasterops Colorboard 264 featuring 24 bit 640 x 480. It is fixed resolution, originally (I think) intended for the AppleColor High-Resolution RGB 13" Monitor: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA36778. Since the card does not support multisync, the LCD monitor needs to be connected through a DA-15-VGA adapter with dip switches. Don't get me wrong, it's a great card, but I'd prefer to keep my compact compact, and I'd rather have - say - an accelerator card installed. I have never been able to find one in Sweden, though.

 

[Mk.558]

Well the Duo has been resuciated, but it suffers from lack of memory and a dying or bad hard drive. Enter IDE -> CF.

Anyways. Making more progress on the Guide. Right now I have to make an entire new section for 10.5. The Duo is the only machine I have that can take 7.5.5+, I did have 8.1 on it at one time but...well....there...were major issues. 7.6.1 would crash after I logged in as the user in the Chooser to 10.5, so it's a deal I'll have to wait until the IDE > CF comes out and I get more memory.

Also making a new section under More Info just about LocalTalk. And also have to discuss installing 7.6+. I can't test 10.6/10.7/10.8 because I don't have those OSs. So much new information I'm adding, it may as well start being a book

If anybody has any real handiwork they'd like to contribute, such as how to telnet in and set up a terminal app, I'm all ears. I know how to start a terminal application: you double-click its icon in the Finder and that's about it.

I'm also open to sensible critique.

I've wondered from time to time how many people visit that page, let alone use it. Thought about putting a counter in but...ehhh don't really need it.

 

[Mk.558]

New additions, a couple of weeks in development:

1. LocalTalk section, facilitated by the recent storage unit conquests.

2. Section that covers 10.5. Further development is pending. (10.6 and 10.7 may not happen, I don't know if others here have tried OS 9 to 10.7.)

3. More tips, tidbits, and so forth. A startup disk for 7.5.3 may be in the future. (gonna need it)

4. Added developments about IE 3.04 and 4.01. Cliff's Notes: iCab rules.

5. More pictures! We all love those!

 

[Mk.558]

More developments. This one is about a month in the works, usually off and on.

115 pictures were tallied up. That's a lot of words, at 1000 words per picture! Using Page Down on my keyboard, I counted 33 pages of useful information.

What have we added this time? Let's see...there's been so much tweaked I don't know where to start!

• Added a little section on networkable games. More could be added with time.
  
• Revamped the Network Access Disk section to pave the way for future developments concerning System 7 and 7.5.3 NADs.
  
• Corrected how to connect with 10.5. I don't know how it was done under 7.6.1, but...it hasn't been reproducible on my end and mcdermd's end.
  
• Made some rework on the Connection List. Further developments are pending for the minimum OS possible, has to do with a 512K and AS Workstation 1.1. Much funzies await with serial hackery.
  
• Found a bad image link! Better not tell about which one it was....Many corrections, additions and tweaks.

Hope it is useful to all those out there!

 

[Tugboat]

Mk.558,

It is very useful to me and I echo what my fellow foot soldiers have said, what a great resource. I have my SE/30 seamlessly connecting to the internet over an airport express thanks to your efforts. Much appreciated.

Tugboat

 

[Mk.558]

Tugboat,

I assume you followed the applefool.com/se30 version?

Certainly, I appreciate that others have found it useful. However, I merely collated the various sources around the web and smacked them all together into some sort of how-to. Personal testing and all that was also a major contributor. Mainly I'm pleased that mcdermd has hooked me up with a domain that I don't have to pay for, and can upload corrections any time of the day via SFTP (I use FileZilla under OS X).

The Guide itself is actually about 95% "done". I haven't found any good articles or how-tos for n00bs on how to telnet, I think that would be a great addition. The 7.5.3 Network Access Disk is a major priority. (Might make a short section on making a bootable CD, since a lot of Macs post-7.5.3 came with built-in CD drives.) Aside from that, I just need to add some finding on what is the minimum version of AppleShare that System 6, 7, 9, 10.2.8/10.3.9 will connect to. We believe it is AppleShare Workstation 1.1 on a 512K, but it's...being worked on. A few other addons, corrections here and there, and it could be good to go for a while.

 

[mcdermd]

I should be able to get the 512k connected for you early this week.

 

[krye]

I got my SE on the internet via FTP with MacTCP 2.0.6 and Fetch 2.1.2. Works like a charm.

All I did was install the Asante driver for my nic.

Configure MacTCP to use Ethernet (provided by the Asante driver)

Set my IP to Manual, punch in my gateway and DNS addresses (setting Domain name to "."), and manually enter an IP address

Install and run Fetch.

I connected to my webiste no problem and was able to get/put files.