Struggling with Performa 6360--need help

[mloret]

Looks like I'm pretty close to you and have a working 6360 I could use to test your board. Interested?

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You can buy kits or preassembled, v2 kits don't look like they'd be any harder than v1 to assemble as they have all the surface mount stuff done.

Hey I was just rereading this thread and saw you offer! Yes, I'd love to have you test out this damn board. I'm getting another board soon but I'd love to learn whats wrong with this one. Where are you located?

 

[Fizzbinn]

Hey I was just rereading this thread and saw you offer! Yes, I'd love to have you test out this damn board. I'm getting another board soon but I'd love to learn whats wrong with this one. Where are you located?

I'm over in Charlottesville, just over the mountain! I'll IM you.

 

[mloret]

Holy cow, you're kidding! Yeah, message me. Thank you.

 

[Fizzbinn]

Holy cow, you're kidding! Yeah, message me. Thank you.

Yeah not everybody puts detail on where they are in their profile but I saw you did.

 

[mloret]

Today I received a known good board for a 6360. BlueSCSI also didn't work with that board. I know the images on the BlueSCSI are good. I actually have two db25 and they both yielded the same result...the computer gets hung up shortly after the chime. Could this be a compatibility issue with the BlueSCSI? I'm all out of ideas at this point.

 

[pizzigri]

I built over the past week a couple boards, BlueSCSI 1.1 - I got the boards from JLCPCB, and all good parts from Mouser. Programmed the bootblock, as per instructions, and flashed the last FW via ISB, again per instructions.
I have the same problems you experienced!

 

[jajan547]

On a 6360 you're better off using IDE to SD that's what I did in mine and it works perfectly. Just use Balena Etcher to setup the SD card. The 6360 uses an internal IDE drive, so could be a compatibility issue with the DB-25 and BlueSCSI.

 

[Phipli]

This might be of interest, it is a similar board to yours :

SSD Solution For 5500

Alright so I managed to get the back plate off my 5500 without busting it a minor miracle. And since then I’ve been trying to do all the maintenance to give as little reason as possible to need to access it inside again since the odds of not breaking it a second time are slim. Max memory, usb...

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[mloret]

I built over the past week a couple boards, BlueSCSI 1.1 - I got the boards from JLCPCB, and all good parts from Mouser. Programmed the bootblock, as per instructions, and flashed the last FW via ISB, again per instructions.
I have the same problems you experienced!

You’re kidding! Well listen to what I tried…I have an older internal bluescsi running my SE/30. I decided to throw a Hail Mary and I pulled it out of my SE/30 and pulled out my Overeasy to give that a shot. Initially the computer actually booted up with the bluescsi connected. I saw the drives and everything. But even I tried to open one of the bluescsi drive images I got a bomb and system froze. Tried again and I was back to the system getting hung up immediately after boot. Switched SD cards out (same brand though) and it booted again, but this time the drive images didn’t mount. Launched scsi probe and it saw the drive image but when I tried to mount, bombed again. So I think the issue is with the bluescsi not the board. Right?

 

[jajan547]

You’re kidding! Well listen to what I tried…I have an older internal bluescsi running my SE/30. I decided to throw a Hail Mary and I pulled it out of my SE/30 and pulled out my Overeasy to give that a shot. Initially the computer actually booted up with the bluescsi connected. I saw the drives and everything. But even I tried to open one of the bluescsi drive images I got a bomb and system froze. Tried again and I was back to the system getting hung up immediately after boot. Switched SD cards out (same brand though) and it booted again, but this time the drive images didn’t mount. Launched scsi probe and it saw the drive image but when I tried to mount, bombed again. So I think the issue is with the bluescsi not the board. Right?

Yes this is a BlueSCSI issue not the machine

 

[mloret]

Maybe a zuluscsi would work?

 

[Phipli]

Maybe a zuluscsi would work?

Why not just use an IDE adapter? They're way cheaper and someone has already worked out what parts combination works on a similar computer?

SCSI is slow on a 6360 anyway, its only 5MB/s, so the IDE will be probably similar or faster.

 

[mloret]

I have no way to properly format a CompactFlash card to use with the IDE adapter

 

[mloret]

All my other machines are scsi

 

[mloret]

This machine has just been trouble. I think I’m going to just cut my losses and sell for $100to someone better equipped.

 

[Phipli]

I have no way to properly format a CompactFlash card to use with the IDE adapter

You can do it on a modern machine with a card reader!

 

[Phipli]

IDE to SD Quickstart

IDE to SD Quickstart The following guide is designed to get up and running quickly with a IDE to SD adapter when you don’t have any installed OS on your antique IDE (aka ATA) Macintosh such a…

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[jajan547]

IDE to SD Quickstart

IDE to SD Quickstart The following guide is designed to get up and running quickly with a IDE to SD adapter when you don’t have any installed OS on your antique IDE (aka ATA) Macintosh such a…

stuffandnonsense.elephantandchicken.co.uk

I really recommend this works great on a 6360!

 

[pizzigri]

Mloret, I had the same issues with Bluescsi,but not on my modded 6200- 6500; I obviously wanted to use SCSI in 68k macs.
in the 62-6500 hybrid machine (very similar to your 6360) I used a IDE2SD, which works a lot better than with CF, because current CF cards are difficult to configure to bootstrap - if at all. Only Industrial CF are easy to boot, however they’re excessively expensive, while these problems almost do not exist with microSD cards - and industrial grade SD are also way cheaper (the quality is also lower).
what is nice is that you can easily access the SD card with any modern machine.
also, since you have a CD, you can actually install the OS “the old way” on the SD as if it was a normal HD. I installed 8.6, so in a old G4 imac with os 10.4 I initialized and formatted the SD in HFS+ and the 8.6 disk recognized the sd and instal without issue.

 

[pizzigri]

IDE to SD Quickstart

IDE to SD Quickstart The following guide is designed to get up and running quickly with a IDE to SD adapter when you don’t have any installed OS on your antique IDE (aka ATA) Macintosh such a…

stuffandnonsense.elephantandchicken.co.uk

What Phipli said!