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SetDate CDEV and Clones = shenanigans
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Crutch
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Wow there is a thread here with people reporting SetDate crashing.
version 1.0 which I have is from the Garden
https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/setdate-rob-braun-avoid-year-2020-bug-in-system-6-7-8
version 1.0 which I have is from the Garden
https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/setdate-rob-braun-avoid-year-2020-bug-in-system-6-7-8
jessenator
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Well, on the StarMax 5000/225 I got SetDate to work (under 7.5.3) by simply doing steps 2–4—no disabled extensions (I did disable MacsBug…). It also appears the preferences on the clock within Date & Time, generally, were saved having moved the startup disk from Mac to Mac: so 24-hr, show century… Not going to jinx it by switching back to a 12 hr clock…
Not sure about a workaround in 7.6.1 though… I don't recall if the Memory panel has that option to disable it or not.
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jessenator
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Installed 7.6 (as an upgrade) and 7.6.1 update over the original 7.5.3 install and all seems working. Also, strangely, it somehow set my clock to a 12-hr, yet still retaining the correct date.
So I got that going for me, which is nice. I don't know what will happen when it comes time for a new battery :/ Maybe I'll have lost my love for 7.x :tongue:
So I got that going for me, which is nice. I don't know what will happen when it comes time for a new battery :/ Maybe I'll have lost my love for 7.x :tongue:
jessenator
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I'll update this with the post that was lost.
As an alternative to SetDate, there's a 2020 Patch: a simple system extension that allows you to set the date with the Date & Time control panel!
Works with every Mac and clone I have. No troubles.
As an alternative to SetDate, there's a 2020 Patch: a simple system extension that allows you to set the date with the Date & Time control panel!
Works with every Mac and clone I have. No troubles.
djhaloeight
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I know this is an old thread, but I was getting a bus error crash on my 6400/180 running 7.5.5 with SetDate 1.0 with Modern Memory Manager turned on. I turned it off, rebooted, SetDate worked fine then, no crash. Turned MMM back on, along with virtual memory and all seems well so far. Got a new PRAM battery too so shouldn’t have to worry about it for a while.
I am gonna look into the 2020 Patch in the post above mine though too. Can't have enough options!
I am gonna look into the 2020 Patch in the post above mine though too. Can't have enough options!
jessenator
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With all the due respect to bbraun and his efforts with SetDate and other software for the classic Mac OS, I believe this new 2020 Patch extension solution is far more user-friendly option to use going forward. If there are shortcomings, I'm not a developer enough to identify them.
djhaloeight
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Duly noted and appreciated!
Franklinstein
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Valiant efforts but I'm not sure I see a huge benefit here, at least not for most people who just fire these vintage things up for old games or reading recipes Grandma typed up 30 years ago. Every 6~11 years the calendar repeats, so just figure out what year to set to sync the date and don't worry about it because, unless you're a huge stickler for accurate created/modified dates on files or rely on the date for something (automated backups, for example) or you're running an Internet-enabled machine that checks date/time on certs, it won't matter. I don't do anything like that on a Classic Mac, so telling the system that today is January 30, 2022, 2011, 2005, or 1994 is all the same to me; the system's happy because it thinks it has a valid date set, and I'm happy since the clock still says it's a Sunday.
Honestly the bulk of my classic Mac files are dated August 1956 or whatever the default is because I just don't set it most of the time (I don't usually replace PRAM batteries and I can't be bothered to set the date every time I power up a machine). It'll make digital forensics challenging for someone if nothing else.
Honestly the bulk of my classic Mac files are dated August 1956 or whatever the default is because I just don't set it most of the time (I don't usually replace PRAM batteries and I can't be bothered to set the date every time I power up a machine). It'll make digital forensics challenging for someone if nothing else.
Just a 1+ on this locking up on a Quadra 605/System 7.5 with 36MB physical memory.
As a retired software engineer, I'd be willing to fix this. I have the sources.. but.. how do I build a new cdev/app which is compatible with the Macintosh Systems of the 1990s? I vaguely recall CodeWarrior...
As a retired software engineer, I'd be willing to fix this. I have the sources.. but.. how do I build a new cdev/app which is compatible with the Macintosh Systems of the 1990s? I vaguely recall CodeWarrior...
jessenator
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the 2020 patch works perfectly on my Quadra 650
That's the one I was referring to earlier
I'm not sure when bbraun last updated the code, but this extension has sort of taken its place in my book; it's also a bit more user friendly (across the macs I've owned) than setdate, to be honest. You just install it in the Extension folder and then use the standard Time & Date control panel to set it. Should work.
jessenator
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There's lots of poorly-written crap in that last post of mine.
bbraun wrote SetDate, which circumvents the Date & Time control panel (as long as you never open that control panel again, IME). SetDate usually works, and has done in a few Macs, but as I noted with some of my machines (mostly clones, but then other Macs also manifested the problem): the date either doesn't stick, or trying to adjust it straight up crashes the machine. I sort of got around the issue with my StarMax and 4400 (any LPX-40 based clone) by rounding off the time to a whole hour with no minutes or seconds, fwiw, but I didn't know if another solution was out there. In the interim, a new solution was written:
Glenn Anderson wrote the 2020 Patch, which when installed allows one to simply use the system Date & Time control panel as one normally would, and the time stays. On the whole, it has much better experience since you don't have to set every value manually in a separate panel.
I'm not begrudging bbraun's efforts in the least, my comment was more that I don't know when he updated the code last and 2020 patch seems to just work(tm). That's it.
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