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PowerBook 180c Display Recap

3lectr1cPPC

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As I posted about in my conquests thread, I bought a nice PowerBook 180c from the recent VCF East Swap Meet. It worked fine, but the display hadn't been recapped, which is a big issue on these. There were a couple of obvious signs this 180c was in desperate need. First, if you left it on for a few minutes you would smell a strong rotten fish smell. Second, the display had some passive-matrix like artifacting, even though it's an active matrix display. Caps are a bit of an urgent issue on the 180cs, because they are dangerously close to the ribbons that display data use. If cap juice gets inside them, the ribbons will be ruined and the display will have dead pixels.

So, I went and attempted me second-ever surface mount capacitor replacement on this LCD Panel!

Here's the before image that I used to reference orientation and values:
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Looks good, right? Just a bit of dullness on a few pads, but nothing bad at all.

Time to get the old caps off. There are plenty of perfectly good ways of removing them, although plenty of people will argue over which is the "best" way. I personally use the twist method of removing them. It's always worked just fine for me, and I've only ever broken a single pad using it (which was the first leaking cap I removed using the method - I had practiced before on a dead GPU but that was my first real attempt. Never damaged one since). I twist parallel to the contacts. I've found that both directions work fine, but twisting parallel gets them off faster and cleaner. The small one next to the raised board was the trickiest to get off because of the low clearance, but I got it off nonetheless.
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Just look at what’s lurking underneath!
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Alright, all removed, and just look at that gunk! Let's get it cleaned.
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Much better! Next step, cleaning the pads and removing the remaining bits of the cap legs.
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Done! I started with the trickiest cap to install - the small one by the raised board. I bought ceramics for the small caps, and tantalums for the larger ones. The size makes it tricky to install - tweezers are required! It took a minute, but I got it installed.
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Here are all of the 10v ceramics installed.
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And now, the rest of the caps.
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And, we're done! The last couple of tantalum caps were pretty tricky - solder kept getting caught between the board and the metal shield.
Just one last cleaning and we’ll be finished.
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But does it work after its surgery?
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Luckily, it does! All of the passive matrix-like artifacting is gone. It looks fabulous now! I'm super pleased with the result. I know my soldering isn't the nicest, but if it works it works! Plus, (and I know, I know...) I still don't have any flux. I've been planning on getting some for a few months, but I've always managed without it so far... Maybe next time :)

Now that I'm done, I have a couple of questions.

First, I still smell a faint fishy smell after its been on for a few minutes. I'm pretty confident on why - I'll bet cap juice has gotten through VIAs and is on the other side of the board. Just one issue - how to I get the metal shield off to clean it? I've seen it done on this thread, but I can't see a clear way myself. While the display does work as is, I don't want it corroding anything over the coming years.

Second, how necessary is recapping the display inverter board (the one inside the display housing) on these? Mine has 2 through-hole electrolytics. I'll get around to it either way at some point, but if it isn't urgent I want to be able to put it off until my next big mouser order.

That's all! I'm super happy with how this project turned out, and I really love this system. It's the best of the 100 series!

Thanks,
3lectr1c
 

techknight

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Yeah you need to get all the cap goo out of there including on the other side of the board, because it can eat away at the ribbon cables going to the LCD panel itself, and then its permanently destroyed. I have run into this and needed a new panel for mine years ago.
 

alectrona2988

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Nice job! Now I'm curious if the PowerBook 145B LCD needs a recap... I can tell all the caps on the motherboard appear to be tantalums by stock, but I am not sure about the display.
 

3lectr1cPPC

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The 145 has electrolytics on the display. I had to recap mine and they were leaking badly. It improves the contrast and quality a lot, mine wouldn’t display anything at all.
 

alectrona2988

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Good to know. I have several spare new 47uf 16V surface mount caps from my last piece of work, redoing the awful recap on my classic.
 

3lectr1cPPC

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Alright! I figured out how to get the top cover off. (Metal Clips)
Sure enough, there was a nice blob of cap goop hiding underneath. It's been cleaned now, and besides corroded pads on a couple of voltage pots, it should now no longer be a ticking time bomb, waiting to go off and wreck the screen. I'll also be turning this thread into a proper guide for my website project, MacDat! Thanks everyone!

Edit: I've had it on for a few minutes now and I've learned 2 things:

1. The fish smell is *nearly* gone. There's still a slight whiff of it when I put my nose up to the top of the display housing but I'm guessing this is one of those things where you can't ever get 100% of it gone. It's faint enough now that I'm positive I've gotten the electrolyte all gone.

2. Running it off of my aftermarket 2A charger works, but it causes the display contrast to fade. Using the proper 3A charger resolves this. Anyone know of a good aftermarket 3A charger that will work in case my OEM one dies?
 
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ibook99

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I just did this to my 180c today. I was also starting to get passive-matrix-like artifacts, but it was minor. After the recap, the screen looks as good as new; it amazes me how good this thirty-year-old color LCD screen looks. I used the Hakko hot tweezers, which makes this significantly easier. Luckily none of the old capacitors had any leaks; however, a few got stuck to the hot tweers and blew up.
 

gcp

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I just did this to my 180c today. I was also starting to get passive-matrix-like artifacts, but it was minor. After the recap, the screen looks as good as new; it amazes me how good this thirty-year-old color LCD screen looks.
Interesting - I should fire mine back up. From memory I thought it looked surprisingly "dull" for active matrix, but I wasn't really sure what to expect. It's definitely a lot dimmer than I thought it would be, but I don't think I recall anything I would consider artifacting. Wonder if my caps are dodgy, or is there another cause that would lead to a brightness issue?
 

3lectr1cPPC

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Possible you have a weak CCFL tube, that’s pretty common. Cap issues aren’t just possible, they’re guaranteed. You MUST replace them for the screen to work properly, if you don’t, the screen will become damaged beyond repair quickly with use.
 

gcp

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Possible you have a weak CCFL tube, that’s pretty common. Cap issues aren’t just possible, they’re guaranteed. You MUST replace them for the screen to work properly, if you don’t, the screen will become damaged beyond repair quickly with use.

Thanks for the reply. Yeah this one was supposed to have been recapped before I purchased it, but couldn’t say for sure. I’ll look into the CCFL tube.
 

3lectr1cPPC

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Alright, if it has been then that’s great. Can’t judge the image without a picture of what the screen looks like when on. A 30 year old panel isn’t going to look as good as a new one though, active matrix or otherwise. I think my 180c display looks very nice though. Not really dull.
 

MacUp72

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great that it worked..I also used the twist method and there was no problem..
but your pads look nasty with that old solder on it, I recommend to get rid of all that old stuff with solder wick, and then just add a bit of fresh solder on the pads..otherwise you wont be able to identify bad/cold solder joints and too much solder under SMTs also can cause shorts.
 

3lectr1cPPC

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Yeah, that wasn’t my finest soldering job. It was one of my first. I’m going to go in there and re-do it sometime soon, I now know that ceramic caps really shouldn’t be used on LCDs, and that would explain why my contrast drifts all over the place on it.
 

tedcy

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Hello friends. Looking from some help from the experts here. I recapped the PB 180c screen, cleaned up any residue from the leaked caps goo. In the process I broke the flex flat video cable and had to painfully solder each line which kind of worked.

The screen is a bit better from what is was originally but there is a thick horizontal line. Attaching some pictures in case anyone can give some hints. There’s an obvious relation with the third brown flex connector, though I cannot see anything broken/wrong there. Any ideas?
 

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croissantking

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Hello friends. Looking from some help from the experts here. I recapped the PB 180c screen, cleaned up any residue from the leaked caps goo. In the process I broke the flex flat video cable and had to painfully solder each line which kind of worked.

The screen is a bit better from what is was originally but there is a thick horizontal line. Attaching some pictures in case anyone can give some hints. There’s an obvious relation with the third brown flex connector, though I cannot see anything broken/wrong there. Any ideas?
I imagine it's kind of game over for this panel, what do others think?

I don't know of a method to re-bond the fine fingered flat cable to the LCD.

I have a passive matrix LCD from a PB160 with the same issue, and I would be interested to know of a way to fix it if there is one.
 
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