my classic

[bluekatt]

has gone from godawfull system 6 to system 7.0.1

which is equally awfull but less awfull at least i got more choice in software now it reads floppies with out whining too much ( getting 7 took a herculenan task of digging my pm 6100 up from its coffin formatting 6 floppies using disk copy suffering through several crashes reinstalling os 9 in between re writing the floppies and finally ending up with a set of install disks and a dead pm 6100 )

why 7 and not 7.5 ? first of al i dont have 19 floppies ( apart from my floppy version of windows 95 and i am not going to reformat those ! )

and im not sure my classic can take 7.5 its 40 mb hd is already struggeling and the 2 mb ram is being taxed which leads me to the next question how can i make 7 run in less ram ?

or is there no possible way

right now the classic has 800 k free

the screen saver runs out of ram

 

[tomlee59]

Far easier to upgrade to the full RAM complement of 4MB. If you're running 7.0*, then you're running the lightest version of 7 that exists. Removing unused extensions and control panels will reduce the RAM requirements to the absolute minimum.

 

[Bolle]

yeah... why not upgrading the RAM? when you´ve got 2mb the RAM car is already in there and all you need are two 30pin 1MB sticks... shouldnt be too hard to find them

 

[Quadraman]

7.5.5 is a dog on a 68000 based machine, even with maximum RAM. You really need something in the Mac II range to run it well. Even an early LC runs it better than a Classic. You aren't missing anything but headaches by not running it.

 

[bluekatt]

time to start pulling then

i also have a se with 7.5 which it runs well but it has the full 4 mb

however it has an 800 k floppy drive and its crt is dying

so maybe i should combine the two

 

[The Macster]

which is equally awfull but less awfull

Umm, that doesn't quite make sense...

i dont have 19 floppies ( apart from my floppy version of windows 95 and i am not going to reformat those ! )

You wouldn't need all 19 floppies written at the same time, you could make the first few, start installing, and then re-use them to make the later ones once it's finished with them.

and im not sure my classic can take 7.5 its 40 mb hd is already struggeling

If you select Custom Install when installing 7.5.5, select a system specific for "this Macintosh", and deselect all the printers etc that you don't want to be installed, you'll get it in well under 40 MB (around 20-30 MB).

yeah... why not upgrading the RAM? when you´ve got 2mb the RAM car is already in there and all you need are two 30pin 1MB sticks... shouldnt be too hard to find them

It's more a case of whether he's confident opening up the Classic though, as the memory is deep inside the little beast...

 

[Bolle]

It's more a case of whether he's confident opening up the Classic though, as the memory is deep inside the little beast...

Its not deep inside... you open the mac, slide out the ram expansion card and there you go...

 

[bluekatt]

it wasnt supposed to make sens ei hate al permutations of classic

i dispise 6 and 7 only i dispise 6 the most and was glad to get rid off it

yeah sure reuse the floppies so that way an already lengthy process will take even longer ill pass for that i got my system 7 floppies

i still have 24 mb left on my hd

im not at al confident about opening the classic nor do i have the right tools to do that

 

[stevep]

It is really easy to do, you just need a long Torx driver. The card that holds the RAM is at the very left corner when you are looking in from the back.

I just learned about this (some was from your comments!) http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=34727#34727

 

[bluekatt]

i am aware of what i need to do or what i need i ma just not sure if i actually want to crack both compacts open the crt worries me

and i need to look for a ridicilous long torx screw driver

 

[pqhf5kd]

What have you got installed on there to take that much space up?

Is it possible to replace the crt with an lcd like in the imac's?

 

[The Macster]

i dispise 6 and 7 only i dispise 6 the most and was glad to get rid off it

Yeah, I don't like 6 much either and wouldn't use it if I had the choice - 7.6.1 isn't too bad, or 7.5.5 for a "32-bit dirty" Mac that can't run 7.6.x - 7.0/7.1 aren't so nice in my opinion, not a lot of reason to use them as any Mac that can run them can also run the later 7 variants.

 

[bluekatt]

What have you got installed on there to take that much space up?Is it possible to replace the crt with an lcd like in the imac's?

7.0 and clarisworks 3

and i doubt you can fit an lcd in there oh sure i can find a 9 inch lcd screen glue it to the inside of the chassis and use the guts of a cube or mini but i doubt there will be actual connection on modern lcd's that can be hooked up to the classic mobo

 

[equant]

i dispise 6 and 7 only i dispise 6 the most and was glad to get rid off it

Isn't this like going to a 68k macintosh site and hating system 6 and 7?

How's *that* for an analogy?

 

[bluekatt]

i never made a secret of my loathing for 6 and 7 an dmy somewhat unwilling preference for 8 or 9

bah give me X

 

[tomlee59]

i am aware of what i need to do or what i need i ma just not sure if i actually want to crack both compacts open the crt worries me

Oh no -- not that *again*!

Really really really truly verily in truth there is no need to fear the crt in a compact mac. Ignore the well-meaning, but fearmongering know-nothings who promulgate the crappage that crts can vaporize delicate internal (and external) organs from halfway around the world.

Sigh.

[summary: The HV bits are extremely well insulated. But even if they weren't, the energy stored is insufficient to do anything other than give you a zap similar to what you've experienced before on dry days, reaching for a doorknob.]

So get yourself a long torx driver and some simms. Do it now. You'll feel better (and so will your Mac).

 

[bluekatt]

i am wel aware of that i read you previou s psots regarding that

never the less the damn thing scares the hell out of me if its not for the fact it could fry me ( not that i am inclined to poke a screw driver under the anode cup ) then its for the fact that i might get too close to the yoke and snap it off or the flyback generator

 

[tomlee59]

Ok, if you're worried *for* the crt, as opposed to *by* it, that's a different thing.

However, it takes a lot to injure the crt, so there's still no big reason to worry [unless you're planning to operate on the innards with a hammer, that is].

The only somewhat vulnerable part of the crt is the piece at the very end. But as long as you watch out for it, you won't have a problem. To break it requires more than a casual act -- the typical way to snap off the end is to be impatient when trying to install/remove something else, and accidentally strike the end with a fair amount of force. For installing ram, you won't be using any substantial force at all. Just exercise ordinary care, don't rush things, and you won't have a problem. You shouldn't feel inhibited at all about upgrading ram. It really is a simple and safe (for both you and the mac) procedure.

 

[bluekatt]

i am both worried by and for it

especially the se one its flickering and developing lines