MacOS 7.7 Prototype Drive Imaging

[Phipli]

I do but how do I go about this I'm very confused.

I'll sort out some instructions later. Its 5:24am
It can be done with a SCSI2SD just fine.

 

[jajan547]

I'll sort out some instructions later. Its 5:24am
It can be done with a SCSI2SD just fine.

Sweet whenever you get a chance and thank you.

 

[jajan547]

I'll sort out some instructions later. Its 5:24am
It can be done with a SCSI2SD just fine.

So I looked and found some information on it but being that I've never done it I'm still very confused.

 

[Phipli]

So I looked and found some information on it but being that I've never done it I'm still very confused.

Its not just the instructions - the disk driver on the disk image needs replacing - from IDE (6360) to SCSI (475).

Sorry, did a 14 hour working day yesterday. I went to bed when I was done.

 

[jajan547]

Its not just the instructions - the disk driver on the disk image needs replacing - from IDE (6360) to SCSI (475).

Sorry, did a 14 hour working day yesterday. I went to bed when I was done.

I don’t blame you that’s enough to make anyone want to sleep. So you say it needs to be tricked into thinking it’s something else?

 

[Phipli]

I don’t blame you that’s enough to make anyone want to sleep. So you say it needs to be tricked into thinking it’s something else?

The disk image of the disk from the 6360 has a driver at the beginning - but it is an IDE driver. If you copy the whole image onto a SCSI disk, it will have the wrong (IDE) driver, and so won't work.
Either, the files (within the image) need copying to a scsi disk and a new image made, or the driver in the image needs replacing with one that supports SCSI.

The driver partition is full of diesel and you want to put it in a petrol... LC 475.

I use similes too much. Sorry @cheesestraws

 

[LaPorta]

Not to be a complete and utter killjoy…but can’t you just mount the DiskCopy image on another machine, drag the System Folder to the internal HD, bless it, and call it a day?

 

[cheesestraws]

I think people are getting a bit muddled up here between imaging for preservation and imaging for convenient use. The raw disc image is necessary for preservation purposes, but isn't very convenient to use. @Johnnya101's original plan of doing a DiskCopy image and a raw image is probably the right one here (the DiskCopy for convenience and the raw image for preservation). Then if you want to play with it on a machine that isn't just a clone of the original, just copy bits of the DiskCopy image.

Not to be a complete and utter killjoy…but can’t you just mount the DiskCopy image on another machine, drag the System Folder to the internal HD, bless it, and call it a day?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking: probably no need to swap the driver partition over, just copy the files, if all you want to do is try it out. With all due respect to @Phipli and kudos for getting it to work at all, I think that surgically swapping the driver partition over is probably overkill here. Unless that's something people want to do for the fun or education of it, then do it and enjoy it .

I use similes too much. Sorry @cheesestraws

Simile far too sensible 3/10 pls be sillier

 

[Phipli]

Not to be a complete and utter killjoy…but can’t you just mount the DiskCopy image on another machine, drag the System Folder to the internal HD, bless it, and call it a day?

Just to be clear, this is all I'm planning to do.
plus reimage it in a scsi2sd friendly way. So they can flash it directly to their scsi2sd.

I have diced and spliced images in the past, I just said it before soneone told me to just swap the driver out. Issues are : time

Not everybody can copy an image file over to a 475.

I'm not struggling to work with the files myself - I have ethernet in almost all my machines, I was doing what someone asked.

 

[Phipli]

Sorry, I'm a bit tired. The side discussion is because I was trying to stop them just trying to put an IDE adapter and formatted image in a SCSi machine. Then I tried to help them actually do that with a SCSI2SD.

There is no complexity, I was just going to make the image. It isn't difficult, I just haven't had a chance to do it, and need to fish my scsi2sd out.

 

[Johnnya101]

I zipped the new Mac image file and uploaded to the listing on Mac garden. Not sure if that will kill any file resources or whatever, but the original 1.7GB file won't upload because of its size maybe? I still have the original of course, so if someone has a better way to compress it, let me know.

If this is everything everyone wanted (DiskCopy image and modern image), then I think the drive is ready to go back to it's owner.

 

[jajan547]

Ok @Johnnya101 I changed the .img after extracting the .zip to a .hda. In an emulator it boots fine and I presume on my IDE to SD it should work haven't tested it though. What I found is the .img and .hda both will run in sheep saver but if I take that same .hda and copy it to SD card say by changing the name to HD40_512.hda it will boot in SheepSaver but not on my LC475 which like @Phipli said is something to do with SCSI and IDE differences, I hope there's a simple work around because I've tried. But to answer your question yes, the images work perfectly.

 

[joshc]

Pretty sure it won't work on your 475 anyway, I couldn't get it to boot in Basilisk II (it crashed/froze up) but it was fine in Sheepshaver. Now, that could be emulation/driver weirdness but I don't think so, it attempts to boot in Basilisk but got stuck after extensions were loaded. Also, most of the interesting/unique stuff on there is PPC only (there are two internal Apple network/OT testing applications on the drive).

 

[jajan547]

Pretty sure it won't work on your 475 anyway, I couldn't get it to boot in Basilisk II (it crashed/froze up) but it was fine in Sheepshaver. Now, that could be emulation/driver weirdness but I don't think so, it attempts to boot in Basilisk but got stuck after extensions were loaded. Also, most of the interesting/unique stuff on there is PPC only (there are two internal Apple network/OT testing applications on the drive).

See that’s interesting maybe it’s an extension thing try without, that’s the same thing that happened when I tried before.

 

[joshc]

See that’s interesting maybe it’s an extension thing try without, that’s the same thing that happened when I tried before.

I get an error type 10 when the Finder tries to load.

 

[jajan547]

I get an error type 10 when the Finder tries to load.

Interesting I disabled these extensions that had X's over them in sheep saver and then saved the .hda and copied it to my sd card. When I boot my LC475 it loads up mouse moves but no icons or text ever load in.

 

[Johnnya101]

If someone had the time, premade ready to go images could be made for SCSI and IDE systems. Probably would need to install 8 on a drive and swap system folders to get things working reliably?

I'll PM you later today to discuss sending it back. Glad we got this done

 

[jajan547]

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If someone had the time, premade ready to go images could be made for SCSI and IDE systems. Probably would need to install 8 on a drive and swap system folders to get things working reliably?

I'll PM you later today to discuss sending it back. Glad we got this done

Thank you @Johnnya101 for preserving the contents of this drive.

 

[Phipli]

People have noticed the actual 7.7 Installer is on the disk haven't you? I'd write that to a CD and install a fresh copy ideally. Would be a nice tidy copy for your specific hardware.

 

[jajan547]

People have noticed the actual 7.7 Installer is on the disk haven't you? I'd write that to a CD and install a fresh copy ideally. Would be a nice tidy copy for your specific hardware.

I’ll give it a try tonight.