issues formatting seagate hawk

[reddrag0n]

i bought a seagate hawk 1 gb scsi drive, but the seller swears that the drive works, just needs a low level format via 3rd party tools.

now i have tried 7.6.1 drive setup, 8.6 and 9.1 drive setup and all of them tell me that the drive can't be initialized. something about it being too big and needs to be formated in HFS in chunks.

i have also tried fwb diagnostics and it says "Error found Level One Failure (Low severity)
fwb toolkit says "Device encountered a hardware error"

from the information i found online for the jumper settings, everything is in order but the drive refuses to initialize.

what am i doing wrong?

will upload pics once i get the chance to get the pm7500 running right

 

[reddrag0n]

UPDATE

found out the drive was dead to begin with so was in talks with the seller to see if a replacement can be found.

 

[MrFahrenheit]

I would recommend FWB Hard Disk Toolkit 4.5.x for formatting drives, especially if being used on a PPC machine. When you get a replacement, be sure not to interrupt the formatting process at all, as it can somehow corrupt the drive and make it unusable.

I was low level formatting a large drive and thought the process froze. I just hadn’t waited long enough. When I forced FWB to quit and rebooted, I’d could no longer format the drive (some strange error).

Hopefully you get it sorted.

 

[reddrag0n]

I would recommend FWB Hard Disk Toolkit 4.5.x for formatting drives, especially if being used on a PPC machine. When you get a replacement, be sure not to interrupt the formatting process at all, as it can somehow corrupt the drive and make it unusable.

I was low level formatting a large drive and thought the process froze. I just hadn’t waited long enough. When I forced FWB to quit and rebooted, I’d could no longer format the drive (some strange error).

Hopefully you get it sorted.

everything i threw at that drive aka fwb, hd setup, even threw it in my mdd with a scsi card and they all said the drive was dead. i even tried all the tools at my disposal for os x to even look at the drive and nothing. so now i have a seagate hawk paperweight

 

[MrFahrenheit]

everything i threw at that drive aka fwb, hd setup, even threw it in my mdd with a scsi card and they all said the drive was dead. i even tried all the tools at my disposal for os x to even look at the drive and nothing. so now i have a seagate hawk paperweight

I believe you. Mechanical hard drives are at their end of life, some even long ago. Back in the day some drives wouldn’t even survive the 90 day warranty period. We’re long past that now.

 

[reddrag0n]

interesting since my quantum drives (40mb in my mac classic, 160mb from my performa 475, the 1gb from my 7500 and both my avid 5" tall 9gb drives) all work great still to this day.

 

[MrFahrenheit]

interesting since my quantum drives (40mb in my mac classic, 160mb from my performa 475, the 1gb from my 7500 and both my avid 5" tall 9gb drives) all work great still to this day.

I worked for a computer store in the early and mid 90s. Many times a customer would bring back a computer which had a dead hard drive.

In machines I have purchased used over the past 3 years, nearly all have non-working drives. It's actually a shock when I turn one on and it works. Often after a few boot cycles, it stops working.

The most reliable drives I've found are the SCA80 connector, SCSI u160/320 drives, made for servers in early 2000s.

 

[Cory5412]

At this point, a modern SCSI drive replacer is much more convenient as they're typically built to slot right in where the stock drives on machines from this era started. The other thing they do is let you simulate an Apple drive.

Apple's own utilities only format drives with Apple's firmware or close approximations.

My go-to has been LaCie silverlining and it's worked great when I've used it, but whatever third party tool you have experience should work fine.

In terms of capacities: any 040 with 7.6.1 or earlier can address up to 2TB volumes. 030s with 7.5+ can do 4GB and if I remember right, 000s and up through to 7.1 can do 2GB volumes, give or take. (Both the OS and hardware are important for some of these, e.g. an '040 on 7.1 would have to abide by whatever 7.1's limit is, which is 2 gigs, 7.6.1 can do 2TB but an '030 can only do 4GB, etc etc.) Most of those are volume limits so you can, say, split a 9-gig disk 5 ways to use it under 7.1 on an '000.

Here's the actual limits with refs: https://68kmla.org/bb/index.php?threads/volume-size-limits-under-hfs-and-hfs.3872/


(EDIT: by which I mean: a 1GB disk was definitely not a capacity problem on basically any mac with a scsi port, under any version of the mac os I know about)