Internal BlueSCSI and Wallstreet

AC Rempt · Nov 8, 2024

So I dug out my old Wallstreet, and it starts up, but the hard drive is dead. I have a BlueSCSI V2 for PowerBooks, but when I went to install the thing, it didn't seem to fit into the internal hard drive area. The connectors don't seem to line up. Am I missing something, or does the BlueSCSI not work for Wallstreets? Anyone know if any guides to help me out here?

3lectr1cPPC · Nov 8, 2024

Any PowerBook post-1994 uses IDE internally, not SCSI.

AC Rempt · Nov 8, 2024

Doh! Thanks for this. I have an IDE/MSATA around here somewhere.

finkmac · Nov 8, 2024

note that wallstreets are picky about their IDE... most mSATA adapters won't work and will cause the p'book to behave strangely.

s_pupp · Nov 8, 2024

Keep us informed of your progress. All my attempts to use any form of flash drive failed (except I think I had some success with a CF card in an adapter in one of the PCMCIA slots) and I had to resort to old spinning hard drives.

aladds · Nov 8, 2024

I have one of the cheap SD card to IDE adaptors in a Wallstreet (well, a Mainstreet which I've overclocked a little) and that works fine.

s_pupp · Nov 8, 2024

aladds said:
I have one of the cheap SD card to IDE adaptors in a Wallstreet (well, a Mainstreet which I've overclocked a little) and that works fine.

Tried several. No luck. Mine’s a Wallstreet II (PDQ).

finkmac · Nov 9, 2024

FYI I've heard good things about these ableconn adapters. They work in 2400/3400 so they should work fine in Walls street.
Sadly they're not cheap to get if you're not stateside.

Fizzbinn · Nov 9, 2024

finkmac said:
FYI I've heard good things about these ableconn adapters. They work in 2400/3400 so they should work fine in Walls street.
Sadly they're not cheap to get if you're not stateside.

I haven't found an IDE mSATA adapter and card that will work in my Lombard, including that Ableconn that I use successfully in my 3400, Pismo, iBook G4 and Mac mini G4. There has got to be something about the IDE controllers used in the generation of machines between the 3400 and the Pismo. Something modern IDE adapters don't implement that drives of that era did.

I/O and disk controllers:

2400/3400: O'Hare
Wallstreet: Heathrow - Problematic
Lombard: Paddington - Problematic
Pismo: KeyLargo

Need to look at the desktops I have and see if the ones with the same controllers have the same problem...

s_pupp · Nov 9, 2024

Fizzbinn said:
I haven't found an IDE mSATA adapter and card that will work in my Lombard, including that Ableconn that I use successfully in my 3400, Pismo, iBook G4 and Mac mini G4. There has got to be something about the IDE controllers used in the generation of machines between the 3400 and the Pismo. Something modern IDE adapters don't implement that drives of that era did.

I/O and disk controllers:

2400/3400: O'Hare
Wallstreet: Heathrow - Problematic
Lombard: Paddington - Problematic
Pismo: KeyLargo

Need to look at the desktops I have and see if the ones with the same controllers have the same problem...

For my Lombards, Kingspec/Yansen IDE SSDs work quite well. For the Lombards running OSX, I go with these SSDs over a CF card, given increased durability of the SSDs.

For Lombards running only OS9 with virtual memory turned off, I use SanDisk Extreme or Transcend Industrial CF cards in a generic adapter - the specific industrial Transcend cards that have worked for me are like the one on the right in the picture below.

I've also had no luck with mSATA adapters in my Lombards, including the Ableconn one.

AC Rempt · Nov 10, 2024

I tried a CE/PC card combo, and the Wallstreet wouldn't see it. These are the parts I'm going to try later this week:

The MSATA: https://a.co/d/0LCxIKw

The card: https://a.co/d/0j8LAtt

I chose these because someone mentioned them working on a Wallstreet. Sorry, but I forget who.

I also scored an inexpensive OS 8 CD off of eBay to boot from to format and install the OS. This is my Wallstreet from back in the day, and it's one of my all-time favorite Macs. I have bay modules for the floppy drive and ZIP drive as well. I'm eager to get it back up and running.

AC Rempt · Nov 12, 2024

Annnnd the OS 8 CD won't boot the machine. I get a message telling me the software is outdated. Anyone have an OS 9 install they can burn? Or do you know if I can burn one using a SuperDrive on a silicon Mac?

Fizzbinn · Nov 13, 2024

AC Rempt said:
Annnnd the OS 8 CD won't boot the machine. I get a message telling me the software is outdated. Anyone have an OS 9 install they can burn? Or do you know if I can burn one using a SuperDrive on a silicon Mac?

I don't see why you shouldn't be able to use Disk Utility on an Apple Silicon Mac to burn an ISO on a CD in a USB attached SuperDrive.

Mac OS 9 cd images on Macintosh Garden

Fizzbinn · Nov 13, 2024

Fizzbinn said:
I don't see why you shouldn't be able to use Disk Utility on an Apple Silicon Mac to burn an ISO on a CD in a USB attached SuperDrive.

Mac OS 9 cd images on Macintosh Garden

Actually I can't seem to get Disk Utility (macOS Sonoma 14.7.1 on M1 MacBoon Pro) to open that image. Just a brief flash of something appearing and disappearing in the volumes list. :-/ However the command line tool still works:

Code:

user_id@MacBook-Pro-M1 ~ % hdiutil burn /Users/<user-id>/Downloads/Mac\ OS\ 9.1.0.toast
Preparing data for burn
Opening session
Opening track
Writing track
..........................................................................................................................................................................
Closing track
...........................................................................................................................................................................
Closing session
Finishing burn
Verifying burn…
Verifying
...........................................................................................................................................................................
Burn completed successfully
...........................................................................................................................................................................
hdiutil: burn: completed

This was using the Retail Mac OS 9.1 CD image from Macintosh Garden: Mac_OS_9.1.0.toast_.zip (430.01 MB)

Boots up my Pismo just fine.

AC Rempt · Nov 13, 2024

Thanks for this! Some Verbatim CD-Rs are being delivered today, so I'll try this soon and report back.

Fizzbinn · Nov 17, 2024

s_pupp said:
For my Lombards, Kingspec/Yansen IDE SSDs work quite well. For the Lombards running OSX, I go with these SSDs over a CF card, given increased durability of the SSDs.

For Lombards running only OS9 with virtual memory turned off, I use SanDisk Extreme or Transcend Industrial CF cards in a generic adapter - the specific industrial Transcend cards that have worked for me are like the one on the right in the picture below.

I've also had no luck with mSATA adapters in my Lombards, including the Ableconn one.

On this advice I picked up this 16GB Yansen IDE SSD and it works well in my Lombard

Thanks!

Yansen 16GB 2.5-inch PATA/IDE 44-Pin SSD Solid State Disk (MLC Flash)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BZWRJC72

s_pupp · Nov 17, 2024

Fizzbinn said:
On this advice I picked up this 16GB Yansen IDE SSD and it works well in my Lombard Thanks!

Yansen 16GB 2.5-inch PATA/IDE 44-Pin SSD Solid State Disk (MLC Flash)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BZWRJC72

AC Rempt · Nov 17, 2024

For noobs like myself, some insight on burning a CD on a silicon Mac running Sonoma. And if you're not a noob, you may still find this helpful, I hope.

I hooked up my Apple SuperDrive to a USB A port on my M1 Mac Mini, and when the disk spun up, I chose "Open in Finder" on the drop down in the popup alert. It mounted the disc, and then I dragged the ISO over. Once I did that, a small "Burn" button popped up on the right corner of the window. I clicked that, and now it's burning.

I tired using the command line, Disk Utility, and even the Music app, but none of them worked. I think the key was choosing "Open in Finder," but I'm not sure.

AC Rempt · Nov 17, 2024

Burnt the CD, placed it in the CD module, and rebooted. Got a chime, and it sounds like the CD drive is trying to spin up, but it doesn't make it, and I'm left with the blinking ? on the disk image. Sigh . . . I assume the CD drive can't/won't read the CD-R. Back to the drawing board. Ordered a Mac OS 8.5 retail CD from eBay.

SteveHere · Nov 18, 2024

I burn CDs and DVD on my M1 Mac Mini pretty often. Media can be a problem, it's good to try different brands. Here's the procedure I use to burn ISOs from the Internet:
Insert the media into the drive.
When prompted by the Finder, click "Ignore". (You do not want "Open in Finder", as this is a way to burn files but not images.)
Find the downloaded ISO file in the Finder, right click on it and select "Burn" from the drop down menu.
When the disk is written out it should eject automatically, and it should be bootable.

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