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IC 4-200P (mac clone)

mmu_man

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I just got that thing at Alchimie...

features a 200 MHz PowerPC 604e processor, 32 MB of RAM, and a 2.3 GB hard drive in an industry-standard tower case. The Tanzania logic board, in addition to standard ADB ports, provides PS/2 keyboard ports and an SVGA monitor port instead of the standard Mac monitor port. This model was sold only in France.
(this one has 64MB RAM and 4GB hdd)

Sorry don't make an offer it's promised to someone else already once I get Haiku running on it ;)

 

coius

Well-known member
nice score. Ram ceiling makes it kinda feel anemic memory wise. Try getting one of those G4 400Mhz upgrades they have for the 86/9600 Systems Those are pretty cheap on eBay. BTW it is always best to run it with the full RAM. You will need every bit of it if you decide to put the first version of OS X on it (or 10.2, not sure about 10.3. Might do it but the swapping on the drive will suck) Or put OS 9 or something. Haiku is nice, but it's gonna make it limited if someone doesn't know how BeOS works. So unless you can teach them, or they know how, do a dual-boot system (I suggest 8.5 or 9. I would rather stay away from 9. 8.6 would be best

Linux wouldn't be bad if you kept it for yourself. ;)

 

alk

Well-known member
Looks like a rebranded Starmax clone. Should be fun. Does Haiku run on PowerPC hardware?

Peace,

Drew

 

LCGuy

LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
nice score. Ram ceiling makes it kinda feel anemic memory wise. Try getting one of those G4 400Mhz upgrades they have for the 86/9600 Systems Those are pretty cheap on eBay. BTW it is always best to run it with the full RAM. You will need every bit of it if you decide to put the first version of OS X on it (or 10.2, not sure about 10.3. Might do it but the swapping on the drive will suck) Or put OS 9 or something. Haiku is nice, but it's gonna make it limited if someone doesn't know how BeOS works. So unless you can teach them, or they know how, do a dual-boot system (I suggest 8.5 or 9. I would rather stay away from 9. 8.6 would be best
Linux wouldn't be bad if you kept it for yourself. ;)
There's no way in Hell i'd put OS X on a Tanzania based Mac, anyway. So long as you have at least 64MB, IMHO OS 9.1 is the sweet spot for 603e based Macs, of course, it will love you if you have more than 64MB.

 

mmu_man

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It currently has 9.1 installed.

Sadly the cpu is soldered on the board, so no possible upgrade (cheapo...).

Haiku has been ported to PPC, but the port currently expects openfirmware, so oldworld macs will need some more work.

 

LCGuy

LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Yes, the CPU is soldered on on all Tanzania clones. However, there are G3 upgrades available that plug into the L2 cache slot, that are designed just for the Tanzania based Macs.

 

Bolle

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Yes, the CPU is soldered on on all Tanzania clones. However, there are G3 upgrades available that plug into the L2 cache slot, that are designed just for the Tanzania based Macs.
not right... there were tanzania clones taht used a ZIF socket for the CPU ;)

and there were g3 upgrades for this socket too...

EDIT: these machines were the ones with a tanzania with ZIF connector: Umax Apus 2000/3000 and SuperMac C500/600

the g3 upgrade for these machines: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/guest_rev1/powerjoltgmax/index2.html

 

LCGuy

LC Doctor/Hot Rodder
Yes, the CPU is soldered on on all Tanzania clones. However, there are G3 upgrades available that plug into the L2 cache slot, that are designed just for the Tanzania based Macs.
not right... there were tanzania clones taht used a ZIF socket for the CPU ;)

and there were g3 upgrades for this socket too...

EDIT: these machines were the ones with a tanzania with ZIF connector: Umax Apus 2000/3000 and SuperMac C500/600

the g3 upgrade for these machines: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/guest_rev1/powerjoltgmax/index2.html
Yeah, i'm well aware that some clones had a ZIF slot, but I'd never heard that upgrades had been made for it, thats all.

 

Franklinstein

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some clones had a ZIF slot, but I'd never heard that upgrades had been made for it, thats all.
That's how UMAX got around Apple's refusal to certify PowerPC 750-based clones: they made upgrade-capable computers, sold them either with an older 603/604 or no processor at all, and threw a G3 upgrade card in with the package. That way they were selling already-certified hardware with a separately-boxed user-installable upgrade as a package deal.

If Apple can use a loophole to force the clone vendors to renegotiate the Mac OS licensing scheme, then UMAX can use another loophole to sell G3-based computers without having Apple certify them as such.

 

trag

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Was the PowerBase Tanzania based? That was Power Computing's budget model. It had its CPU on the same kind of card as the Power Surge (x500) and their other clones. There were a couple of odd wiring differences in it, which meant it would not work with something. I don't remember what "something" was though. It was either G4s or multi-processors, I think. I think it was multi-processor cards, because IIRC, it was the Catalyst based clones which didn't work properly with G4 processors.

I think the Catalyst system lacks a signal which the G4 requires and the PowerBase required two additional signals (as compared to an x500) for which PCC stole the pins which would ordinarily be used for two of the arbitration signals to a second CPU chip. Hence, Catalyst based systems are G4 impaired (I think Sonnet did a workaround on their 700/800/1000 MHz cards, after they aquired some NewerTech engineering talent) and the PowerBase (Tanzania?) could not use dual processor (2 X 604e) cards.

 

Quadraman

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Cool. I wish I was able to get some of the European clone machines but shipping is killer and the few people I've sent questions to on ebay France and Germany didn't speak English or didn't speak it well enough to give me a coherent response.

 

Quadraman

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some clones had a ZIF slot, but I'd never heard that upgrades had been made for it, thats all.
That's how UMAX got around Apple's refusal to certify PowerPC 750-based clones: they made upgrade-capable computers, sold them either with an older 603/604 or no processor at all, and threw a G3 upgrade card in with the package. That way they were selling already-certified hardware with a separately-boxed user-installable upgrade as a package deal.

If Apple can use a loophole to force the clone vendors to renegotiate the Mac OS licensing scheme, then UMAX can use another loophole to sell G3-based computers without having Apple certify them as such.
I wonder if you can run OS X on them :?: :?: :?:

 

mmu_man

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Cool. I wish I was able to get some of the European clone machines but shipping is killer and the few people I've sent questions to on ebay France and Germany didn't speak English or didn't speak it well enough to give me a coherent response.
Don't even think about shipping costs from France it's hideous

 

coius

Well-known member
some clones had a ZIF slot, but I'd never heard that upgrades had been made for it, thats all.
That's how UMAX got around Apple's refusal to certify PowerPC 750-based clones: they made upgrade-capable computers, sold them either with an older 603/604 or no processor at all, and threw a G3 upgrade card in with the package. That way they were selling already-certified hardware with a separately-boxed user-installable upgrade as a package deal.

If Apple can use a loophole to force the clone vendors to renegotiate the Mac OS licensing scheme, then UMAX can use another loophole to sell G3-based computers without having Apple certify them as such.
I wonder if you can run OS X on them :?: :?: :?:
I got OS X 10.1 running on the PowerBase that I had (i forgot the speed) and it was based on the 6400 machines. Although the sound didn't work. I also remember that it didn't work with the L2 cache G3 upgrades because of the way the video was done. I *DO* know you can pop an upgrade from a 604 machine (Card 604) into it and any upgrades for that. I didn't get to keep it, but I got to borrow a 400Mhz G4 upgrade and a 604 from an 8600 (the G4 was for it too)

 

Bolle

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some clones had a ZIF slot, but I'd never heard that upgrades had been made for it, thats all.
That's how UMAX got around Apple's refusal to certify PowerPC 750-based clones: they made upgrade-capable computers, sold them either with an older 603/604 or no processor at all, and threw a G3 upgrade card in with the package. That way they were selling already-certified hardware with a separately-boxed user-installable upgrade as a package deal.

If Apple can use a loophole to force the clone vendors to renegotiate the Mac OS licensing scheme, then UMAX can use another loophole to sell G3-based computers without having Apple certify them as such.
I wonder if you can run OS X on them :?: :?: :?:
I got OS X 10.1 running on the PowerBase that I had (i forgot the speed) and it was based on the 6400 machines. Although the sound didn't work. I also remember that it didn't work with the L2 cache G3 upgrades because of the way the video was done. I *DO* know you can pop an upgrade from a 604 machine (Card 604) into it and any upgrades for that. I didn't get to keep it, but I got to borrow a 400Mhz G4 upgrade and a 604 from an 8600 (the G4 was for it too)

But the G3 cpu in the clones is not a L2 slot one, it replaces the original CPU... so i think OSX would be able to use the G3 CPU, eh? :?:

lolz: lets play the happy quote box game...

 

MacTV

Active member
Pretty cool that it has PS/2 keyboard ports.

Can you take pictures of the back ports panel when you get it?

 

gobabushka

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ive got a c500 thts been maxed out with 20gb hd, full ram, and sonnet g3 l2 upgrade. i ran 10.1 on it one time, and i also couldnt figure out how to get the g3 upgrade to work

 
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