I Need Some Help...

[GerrySch]

Good Afternoon you all, I need some help. I own a SE/30 (which I love!) and an LC 475 (which is a great Mac!). I'm bringing them back up after several years and I originally put SCSI2SD cards to replace their HDs. Now I want to put them online and the easiest way is through WiFi. I have downloaded Basilisk II and built a basic 7.5.5 bootable image for the SE/30. I've also purchased a ZuluSCSI Pico Slim as well as a BlueSCSI V2 Slim and V2 Desktop.

But I'm unable to find a procedure or video that explains how to add networking to the SE/30 drive image and set up the .ini file on the imcroSD card. I've looked a lot but I haven't found anything that helps me. If you can direct me where to find this I can do the rest and I'll ask questions here if I get stuck.

Thank you for your tie and help,
Gerry

 

[finkmac]

check the latter part of this video for info on how to configure your zulu-class device.

do you have a way to get software on the computers?

 

[ArmorAlley]

I would argue that the easiest way to get them online is not to put them online per se but to get a G4 Mac and make a Mac OS 9 LAN.

You will need an ethernet hub and ethernet cards for your SE/30 & LC 475 although the wireless functionality of the BlueSCSI v2 should also work. Most G4s will run Mac OS 9 natively, certainly up to 2002.

Use your G4 to access the Internet (well, the Macintosh Garden and one or two other sites as well as mail) and then make the downloaded software available to the SE/30 & LC 475. i personally use a mac Mini G4 running Mac OS 9.2.2, which, while not without problems, makes a great file server and portal to the Macintosh Garden.

To answer your question, have you had a look at the BlueSCSI site: https://bluescsi.com/docs/WiFi-DaynaPORT

This thread is also good: https://68kmla.org/bb/index.php?threads/got-a-macintosh-now-what.46133/#post-513928

member mk.558 also made an excellent networking site: Classic Mac Networking v3.2 http://applefool.com/se30/ Update 4.0 in progress

 

[GerrySch]

Thank you for your responses. I've seen Bruce's review on the ZuluSCSI Pico Slim and have gone through it to help make my own 7.5.5 Mac boot image for the Mac SE/30. What's missing is how to setup the wifi. I will follow the links you all sent. If you have anything more to send me, I appreciate it.

Thanks again,
Gerry

P.S. Are there any tutorials available on setting up and configuring a BlueSCSI with wifi?

 

[GerrySch]

Well, I was afraid of this, in following the WiFi Daynaport documents, I started with setting up a 16GB microSD card. When I plugged the card directly into a USB-C port of my M1 MBP, I was able to format it using Disk Utility (DU) but could only select exFAT in MacOS Sonoma 14.6.1. After formating, I put the MicroSD card into an adapter and plugged it in the full-sized SD receptacle on the large BlueSCSI card but no disk image showed up on the Mac Desktop or in DU but lots of blinky lights on the BlueSCSI RBPi card.

Did the same thing with my Dell 9710 Win11 laptop and had the same issue. I tried the BlueSCSI DB25 unit but had the same problem, no drive in the desktop after connecting the Card through the USB cable to the PC. I tried multiple SD cards and adapters of different sizes (64GB) but nothing changed. It appears the RBPis are working but I'm getting no communication between the PCs and BlueSCSI cards with a formatted microSD card plugged in.

Where can I find the jumper information so I can check to make sure they are in the correct positions? Is there somewhere I can go and see what's suppose to happen when I plug a BlueSCSI board into a PC with a formatted SD card through a USB cable? I know little about these cards so I have a few questions.

First, on the ZuluSCSI unit, there are two microUSB ports, so which one do I plug into?
Second, the DB25's MicroSD port is mounted under the RBPi card. Which way is the microSD card oriented? Up with the writing visible or down with the gold connection pins showing?

I find the documentation I've read makes assumptions about the knowledge of the user. I know NOTHING about these boards so when things don't work as expected, it's difficult to troubleshoot the issue. Is there a simpler, basic procedure with explanations about what is suppose to happen and if not, what to try?

Thank you for your time,
Gerry

 

[GerrySch]

Okay, I built a new boot disk 7.5.3, with SheepShaver for the SE/30. I copied it over to the 64 GB microSD and renamed it HD00_512 SE/30.hda. But when I put it in the BlueSCSI Desktop It shows nothing mounted at SCSI 0. I can boot from my ROM-inator II but there's nothing on the SCSI bus. I also bought a DB-25 too and it does the same thing. I've sent an email to Androda, where I purchased it, and asked them what firmware has been installed.

So, is there a pre-built 68K, MacOS 7.5.3 boot image that I can download and load onto the microSD card to help troubleshoot this issue? Hopefully, it will also have DaynaPORT and Open Transport installed to see if I can get the mac on-line

I appreciate any help you can suggest.

Thank you,
Gerry

 

[dochilli]

Perhaps this one?

BlueSCSI Premade Images - Amiga of Rochester

These are some images to get you started on your journey. I have installed MacTCP and the Dynaport drivers for use with the Pico W on your BlueSCSI. I’ve installed Stuffit Deluxe 4.0 and copied some helpful utilities. To use an image, simply extra the zip file and copy the resulting .hda file to...

amigaofrochester.com

Or this one?

https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/bluescsi

 

[GerrySch]

I finally tested the prebuilt images and here's what I found. With the BlueSCSI desktop booting from any image, I get the floppy question mark. Putting the microSD in my BlueSCSI DB25, I get the "Welcome to Macintosh" screen but it stalls there. Here are the logs from each boot:


---------------------------------------
BlueSCSI Desktop

Platform: BlueSCSI
FW Version: 2024.12.08-rel Dec 8 2024 22:19:03
I2C Supported
Flash chip size: 2048 kB

=== SD Card Info ===
SD card detected, exFAT volume size: 60901 MB
SD Name: SN64G, MID: 0x03, OID: 0x53 0x44

=== Global Config ===
Reading configuration from bluescsi.ini
Active configuration:

=== Finding images in / ===
== Opening /HD30_512 OpenRetroSCSI 753.hda for ID: 3 LUN: 0
---- WARNING: file /HD30_512 OpenRetroSCSI 753.hda is fragmented, see

Image File Fragmentation

Open source, open hardware, SCSI emulator using the Pi Pico PR2040 and Pico 2 RP2350 - BlueSCSI/BlueSCSI-v2

github.com

---- Image ready
== Opening /NE4.hda for ID: 4 LUN: 0
---- Configuring as network based on image name
---- Image ready
== Opening /HD20_512 Mac SE30.hda for ID: 2 LUN: 0
---- WARNING: file /HD20_512 Mac SE30.hda is fragmented, see https://
github.com/BlueSCSI/BlueSCSI-v2/wiki/Image-File-Fragmentation
---- Image ready
== Opening /HD00_512 7_1 BlueSCSI W Ready.hda for ID: 0 LUN: 0
---- Image ready
== Opening /HD10_512 BlueSCSI 4 Macintosh.hda for ID: 1 LUN: 0
---- WARNING: file /HD10_512 BlueSCSI 4 Macintosh.hda is fragmented,
see https://github.com/BlueSCSI/BlueSCSI-v2/wiki/Image-File-
Fragmentation
---- Image ready

=== ROM Drive ===
Platform supports ROM drive up to 1692 kB
---- ROM drive image not detected

=== Configured SCSI Devices ===
* ID: 0, BlockSize: 512, Type: Fixed, Quirks: Apple, Size: 524352kB
* ID: 1, BlockSize: 512, Type: Fixed, Quirks: Apple, Size: 51264kB
* ID: 2, BlockSize: 512, Type: Fixed, Quirks: Apple, Size: 2048048kB
* ID: 3, BlockSize: 512, Type: Fixed, Quirks: Apple, Size: 512000kB
* ID: 4, Type: Network, Quirks: Apple

=== Network Initialization ===
Wi-Fi MAC: 00:80:19:C1:27:36
Connecting to Wi-Fi SSID "SpectrumSetup-F16A" with WPA/WPA2 PSK

Initialization complete!


----------------------------------

BlueSCSI DB25

Platform: BlueSCSI
FW Version: 2024.12.08-rel Dec 8 2024 22:19:03
Flash chip size: 2048 kB

=== SD Card Info ===
SD card detected, exFAT volume size: 60901 MB
SD Name: SN64G, MID: 0x03, OID: 0x53 0x44

=== Global Config ===
Reading configuration from bluescsi.ini
Active configuration:

=== Finding images in / ===
== Opening /NE4.hda for ID: 4 LUN: 0
---- Configuring as network based on image name
---- Image ready
== Opening /HD10_512 OpenRetroSCSI 753.hda for ID: 1 LUN: 0
---- WARNING: file /HD10_512 OpenRetroSCSI 753.hda is fragmented, see

Image File Fragmentation

Open source, open hardware, SCSI emulator using the Pi Pico PR2040 and Pico 2 RP2350 - BlueSCSI/BlueSCSI-v2

github.com

---- Image ready
== Opening /HD30_512 Mac SE30.hda for ID: 3 LUN: 0
---- WARNING: file /HD30_512 Mac SE30.hda is fragmented, see https://
github.com/BlueSCSI/BlueSCSI-v2/wiki/Image-File-Fragmentation
---- Image ready
== Opening /HD20_512 BlueSCSI 4 Macintosh.hda for ID: 2 LUN: 0
---- WARNING: file /HD20_512 BlueSCSI 4 Macintosh.hda is fragmented,
see https://github.com/BlueSCSI/BlueSCSI-v2/wiki/Image-File-
Fragmentation
---- Image ready
== Opening /HD00_512 7_1 BlueSCSI W Ready.hda for ID: 0 LUN: 0
---- Image ready

=== ROM Drive ===
Platform supports ROM drive up to 1692 kB
---- ROM drive image not detected

=== Configured SCSI Devices ===
* ID: 0, BlockSize: 512, Type: Fixed, Quirks: Apple, Size: 524352kB
* ID: 1, BlockSize: 512, Type: Fixed, Quirks: Apple, Size: 512000kB
* ID: 2, BlockSize: 512, Type: Fixed, Quirks: Apple, Size: 51264kB
* ID: 3, BlockSize: 512, Type: Fixed, Quirks: Apple, Size: 2048048kB
* ID: 4, Type: Network, Quirks: Apple

=== Network Initialization ===
Wi-Fi MAC: 00:80:19:10:17:5C
Connecting to Wi-Fi SSID "SpectrumSetup-F16A" with WPA/WPA2 PSK

Initialization complete!
INFO: Pico Voltage: 3.284V.
Successfully connected to Wi-Fi SSID "SpectrumSetup-F16A"

-----------------------------------------

I'm including a zip file of all the log files but one thing stands out. The BlueSCSI DB25 shows a voltage of 3.284 volts but the Desktop doesn't show a voltage. Is this the 5v rail?

Thank you,
Gerry

 

[zigzagjoe]

...

First, on the ZuluSCSI unit, there are two microUSB ports, so which one do I plug into?
Second, the DB25's MicroSD port is mounted under the RBPi card. Which way is the microSD card oriented? Up with the writing visible or down with the gold connection pins showing?
...

I can't speak for the bluescsi stuff, but on the Slim the MicroUSB ports are functionally identical as long as whoever assembled it ran the jumpers as seen below. The rear port is provided for when the board is encapsulated in a case.



The SD card goes contact side towards the PCB, label away from the PCB. This is pretty typical for SD card sockets, it's a rare one that goes contacts away from the PCB.

 

[Callan]

If your using a pre made image you might want to
boot without extensions first.
Are you using an upgraded rom? If your trying to use a.7.5 image on the se/30 that will be the reason it's hanging. You have to resedit the system file to get it to work correctly.

Mac SE/30 with Upgraded ROM | Big Mess o' Wires

www.bigmessowires.com

You can use a 7 1 image on the se/30 first to confirm everything is working correctly.

 

[Mk.558]

I've read a number of reports from people who used the BlueSCSI WiFi and were dissatisfied with it. For the record it was in experimental stage for a long time.

A wired interface is probably the best way to go. You will likely want one anyways for fallback purposes.

 

[GerrySch]

Thank you all for your responses. Zigzagjoe, I will check my ZuluSCSI Slim to see if those jumpers are installed on my unit.

Callan, I haven't patched my 7.5 and 7.5.3 images.
Mk.558, I had a 10/100 network card in my SE/30 and it was dirt slow. I've replaced the network card with a PDS Slot Booster so my network card won't fit in my SE/30 and I want to try it wirelessly.

Finally, the BlueSCSI DB25 shows a voltage of 3.284 volts at the end of the log file. What does that mean?

Thanks again, all
Gerry

 

[Callan]

It's the voltage going to the pico. It's correct.

From bluescsi's website :
This is the internal voltage that the Raspberry Pi Pico is receiving from the BlueSCSI and should be around the 3.3V mark. If this is substantially lower (ie: below 3.2V) then you should look at how your BlueSCSI is being powered to see if it’s getting enough voltage.

They five you a breakdown of the whole lot file on their site https://bluescsi.com/docs/Logging

The issue of it hanging at the Wlcome to Macintosh screen is the exact issue you'll have with an unmodified (unedited system file) bluescsi / zuluscsi image (they work the same way) on an se/30 with the rominator.

 

[GerrySch]

Thank you Callen. I have ordered a replacement power supply for my SE/30 for one reason. The old SE/30 power supply does not have over-voltage crowbar circuits which means if the 5v supply shorts and puts 12 volts on the 5v rail, it could do a lot of damage. Modern power supplies have crowbar circuits to protect the load. That's a good thing.

I figured out last night why the BlueSCSI Desktop was giving different results from the Pico. I had assumed that the jumpers we properly set in the prebuilt Desktop BlueSCSI but termination was off. After turning it on, I now get a frozen "Welcome to Macintosh" screen just like the Pico.

I need patch my images since I do have the ROM-inator in it.

Thank you for all the help,
Gerry

 

[GerrySch]

I'm really messed up now. Since I have a ROM-inator II, I need to patch the the OS and I'm trying to follow the 'Mac SE/30 with Upgraded ROM' on the BMOW website. But I'm not able to make it work. I'm using the prebuilt 7.5 with RezEdit 2.1.3 but I can't edit the 'gusd' file in the system folder. The file opens but there's nothing to edit. I've even resorted to reading the RezEdit manual but there's no information on this filetype. I've been searching a lot for how this works but I've found nothing on the internet. Can anyone direct me to where this is explained more clearly?

With all these issues caused by the ROM-inator II, I've decided to replace it with the GW4402B ROM with multiple selectable images. Also, I really don't like the pirate image during startup.

Thank you for all your help,
Gerry

 

[nathall]

Perhaps this video will help?

 

[GerrySch]

I would like to thank everyone for your help to get me this far, nathall, thanks for the video, whatever I was doing wrong to open and edit the gusd file worked fine after I saw your video. My Mac SE/30 is now booting from any of the four images on the SDcard with the BlueSCSI desktop card. I just got my replacement (and hopefully quiet) cooling fan, am waiting for the new ROM as well as a new replacement power supply.

My next step is to set up the WiFi to get the SE/30 on the internet. I've got a lot of reading to do about how to get it on-line using WiFi while the Mac is thinking it's on an ethernet connection. I'll post any questions I have here in case I run into issues.

Thank you all again,
Gerry