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Help upgrading a Performa 600

mloret

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Hi there! I want to upgrade my Performa 600. I read online that one upgrade path is to get a logic board from a Centris 650. I think I have found one, but the seller reports that one the Centris gets warm it no longer boots from the hard drive. He has replaced the HDD and SCSI cable and gets the same. Any idea what could be causing this? Is it worth to get this board and try my hand at recapping? It looks like it's mostly solid state caps though...

Thank you for your thoughts!
 

Phipli

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Hi there! I want to upgrade my Performa 600. I read online that one upgrade path is to get a logic board from a Centris 650. I think I have found one, but the seller reports that one the Centris gets warm it no longer boots from the hard drive. He has replaced the HDD and SCSI cable and gets the same. Any idea what could be causing this? Is it worth to get this board and try my hand at recapping? It looks like it's mostly solid state caps though...

Thank you for your thoughts!
How far does it get? Does he get a questioning floppy disk icon.
 

jessenator

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the seller reports that one the Centris gets warm it no longer boots from the hard drive.
Is the seller saying the HDD is getting warm? That's what I'm gathering, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Spinning SCSI HDDs from this era—regardless of what some might say under the influence of nostalgia—are either bad, or will go bad. A solid state replacement is a small investment in terms of price, and will prove much more reliable.

If the HDD is getting warm/hot, then that's not a problem with the board, and it's a sign the drive is on its way out the door.

There's also an extreme off chance the PSU is to blame, but I haven't heard of one sending bad voltage to the point where the drive is bad, and something else on the board isn't also fried.
 

mloret

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It behaves the same for multiple drives in multiple SCSI cables. It sounds like the problem. It’s either in the logic board or the power supply. It seems like it may be too big of a project for me.
 

Phipli

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It behaves the same for multiple drives in multiple SCSI cables.
You haven't told us what "the same" is!

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What does it do or not do? How far does it get? Does it chime? Does the fan start? Does it go "taktaktaktaktak"?
 

mloret

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You haven't told us what "the same" is!

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What does it do or not do? How far does it get? Does it chime? Does the fan start? Does it go "taktaktaktaktak"?
The seller hasn’t provided that info. Here’s what I got. Seems like a nice guy.
 

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Phipli

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The seller hasn’t provided that info. Here’s what I got. Seems like a nice guy.
Hum... can't tell for sure from what we know, but I'm getting power supply vibes.

Unless there is physical damage on the board (ask has the battery leaked, if he says he doesn't know, ask for a photo of under the drive cage of the front right corner), there isn't much that goes wrong on a C650.
 

mloret

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I did ask tabling leaky caps and a fishy smell he said no. Do I want to throw $75 at this?
 

Phipli

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I did ask tabling leaky caps and a fishy smell he said no. Do I want to throw $75 at this?
That is a tricky question :)

How much is a fully working machine where you are? Do you enjoy troubleshooting? Will you miss the money if it is scrap / gets worse?
 

mloret

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Honestly, If the problem is somewhere in the board, I'm probably out of my depth. I'm getting better at trouble shooting, but that may just be too much for me. If it was free that would be one thing, but for $75, I should be able to find a better board, no?
 

beachycove

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The posted price of $175 is way too much, imo. On the other hand, $75 would not be so bad if for that you were getting, say, a CD bezel and other working parts to keep a machine going if need be, even with a dud logic board. But you could do better, too. $100-ish has been the typical asking price for one of these on the usual auction site in recent years…. They don’t sell especially well, though in fact they are great machines. A Quadra 650/800 is also a better bet, as they were faster and ethernet and fpu were standard in them. A 7100 board will also fit a P600 case, with some dremmel work.

As for the problem with the Centris, any machine that boots and freezes always sounds suspiciously to me like a machine without scsi ID and termination properly set up, or with a corrupt system, or some similar small problem like RAM needing reseated. Is the seller a vintage Mac enthusiast who knows what he/she is doing, especially when swapping disks into the machine? If not a vintage machead, the machine might just be worth a gamble at an attractive-enough price. Those boards are pretty reliable, and recapping is not typically necessary.
 

joshc

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There could be a problem with the logicboard, so unless you want to learn how to repair it or have the time/patience to poke around with a scope, then no, I would say don't buy it. The 650 is not rare - just wait for another one to pop up and spend more on a working one.
 

volvo242gt

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Might be easiest to just get a known working Quadra 800 board, add the power LED to the board, then install it. They seem to be slightly more common than the Quadra 650 boards and will all have 8MB of RAM on the board.
 
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