G4 MDD (3,6) Power Cable

[atakioki]

Trying to complete the accessories for an in-box MDD, the power cable I have is definitely not original. Does anyone have an original cable they could provide a photo of or know the repair part number for the cable that I could search for it? My understanding is that the rainbow cable had been abandoned by this point.

 

[chriscarruthers]

AFAIK it might depend on whether it's an original MDD, an MDD (FW800), or MDD (2003). I'm pretty sure the latter two came with fully white/light-grey cables however the original MDD may have come with the earlier version which has translucent plug ends (like the one for DA and QS models).

https://www.mac27.net/ shows examples of both.

 

[atakioki]

Ah, that's a gorgeous collection. Thank you!

 

[chriscarruthers]

Yes, it is! Although be careful; I don't believe the combinations of peripherals are all as-original. Happy to stand corrected but I think, for example, that Apple switched to the white Pro Keyboard and Pro Mouse from the QS 2002 onwards, so the black peripherals here are incorrect.

 

[atakioki]

I gave up too early, (or rather, I gave up at a reasonable interval). But then I dug back in, here are the results of 2 more hours of inquisition in case it is useful to someone in the future.

On the back side of the Accessory Cover Cardboard there was a very faded sticker that I eventually deciphered as bunch of seven digit numbers and recognized them as originating in Apple's internal Salesforce part tracking system. I had thought these part numbers were just for repair parts, but apparently they were used for everything, including product packaging. The numbers I came up with were:

658-0239
603-0471
591-0119
603-1905
600-9418
590-5180
591-0075
591-0079

Punching these into web searches yielded likely identities for all but three of the numbers:

658-0239 ???
603-0471 Blank DVD-R
591-0119 DVI to VGA Adapter Cable
603-1905 Installation and Diagnostic Media
600-9418 ???
590-5180 ???
591-0075 RJ-11 Modem Cable
591-0079 USB Extension Cable

Since I know the computer came with a mouse, keyboard, and power cable, I'm concluding those must be the missing part numbers. To verify, I cracked open my Powermac G5 that I know has all original accessories in their original packaging. Sure enough, every accessory is labeled with a part number on it's plastic scratch protection, or baggy. The power cable is labeled on a small tag attached to it's twist tie. Those numbers are:

657-0207 Bluetooth Pro Mouse
603-4654 Powermac G5 Print US (Manual)
603-4257 Wireless Keyboard and Mouse Print (Manual)
603-4830 Bluetooth Print Kit (Manual)
603-5355 Airport Extreme Print/Media V3.4 (Manual and Disk)
603-5699 Powermac G5 Media (Installation Disks)
603-5817 Powermac G5 Media (Apple Hardware Test Disk)
603-3420 External Airport Antenna
603-3421 External Bluetooth Antenna
658-0242 Bluetooth Keyboard
603-3342 DVI-VGA Adapter
591-0075 RJ-11 Cable
591-0181 USB Extension Cable
590-5427 Power Cable

With the first three digits of the keyboard and power cable matching the first three digits of two of my missing parts from the G4 kit (and the mouse being the third by process of elimination), I'm concluding that the full parts list for the G4's accessory kit is:

658-0239 Wired Pro Keyboard
603-0471 Blank DVD-R
591-0119 DVI to VGA Adapter Cable
603-1905 Installation and Diagnotic Media
600-9418 Wired Pro Mouse
590-5180 Power Cable
591-0075 RJ-11 Modem Cable
591-0079 USB Extension Cable

The actual G4 As-built is:
867MHZ-DP/256MB/60GB HD/DVD-R/CDRW/GF4MX/MDM KYBD/MAC OS X

Lastly, a theory as to why these three part numbers aren't obviously identifiable on the internet: Many people would not use all the other contents of the accessory kit, leaving them intact in their packaging to be identified later. But essentially everyone who bought one of these machines _was_ using the keyboard, mouse, and power cable. Thus the packaging of those parts was universally discarded, leaving them very hard to identify.

 

[chriscarruthers]

Impressive.

 

[adespoton]

Hooray!

At some point, someone was building a universal database of Apple part numbers. The copy I have though really only covers up until around 1988, and then is VERY spotty until around 2003.

Anyone know of a more up-to-date list these could be added to?

 

[mac27]

Yes, it is! Although be careful; I don't believe the combinations of peripherals are all as-original. Happy to stand corrected but I think, for example, that Apple switched to the white Pro Keyboard and Pro Mouse from the QS 2002 onwards, so the black peripherals here are incorrect.

Thanks for linking to my site - I try to keep things as accurate as possible. If you look at the "accessory cover" cardboard insert for my MDD on that page, you can see the black Pro Mouse is depicted there. So, this system did ship with black peripherals.

The later "MDD '03" (single 1.25 GHz) systems did ship with the white ones. I document this on the site as well. You can see on the insert that the mouse image on the cardboard insert is white instead of black.

To answer the original question posed in this thread - as far as I've seen, all MDD systems shipped with the solid white cable I show with mine. My machine is one of the later "FireWire 800" models, though, so I can't say whether the first "MDD" models shipped with the solid white ones or the translucent-end ones that came with the DA and QS, like you said.

 

[chriscarruthers]

Thanks for linking to my site - I try to keep things as accurate as possible. If you look at the "accessory cover" cardboard insert for my MDD on that page, you can see the black Pro Mouse is depicted there. So, this system did ship with black peripherals.

Thanks for the clarification! I guess I wasn't entirely sure if all the box pieces you had were original to the machines or not but of course will take your word for it. And while there's little good evidence out there elsewhere, after a little more research as well, I do agree. Love your site by the way!

Apple showed the black keyboard with the MDD (here) but amazingly that's the only visual evidence on their website, which I can find at least.

Anyway here's my current best effort at cataloguing the peripheral combos that Apple shipped. Any fixes appreciated!

Power Mac	Keyboard	Mouse	Power cable
G3 (Blue & White)	USB Keyboard (Blue, short cable)	USB Mouse (Blue)	Rainbow
G4 (PCI/AGP)	USB Keyboard (Graphite, long cable)	USB Mouse (Graphite)	Rainbow
G4 (Gigabit Ethernet)	Pro Keyboard (Black)	Pro Mouse (Black)	White (translucent ends)
G4 (Cube)	Pro Keyboard (Black)	Pro Mouse (Black)	White (translucent ends)
G4 (Digital Audio)	Pro Keyboard (Black)	Pro Mouse (Black)	White (translucent ends)
G4 (Quicksilver)	Pro Keyboard (Black)	Pro Mouse (Black)	White (translucent ends)
G4 (Quicksilver 2002)	Pro Keyboard (Black)	Pro Mouse (Black)	White (translucent ends)
G4 (MDD)	Pro Keyboard (Black)	Pro Mouse (Black)	White
G4 (MDD FW800)	Pro Keyboard (Black)	Pro Mouse (Black)	White
G4 (MDD 2003)	Pro Keyboard (White)	Pro Mouse (White)	White
G5 (all before Late 2005)	Keyboard (Plastic)	Mouse (White)	White
G5 (Late 2005)	Keyboard (Plastic)	Mighty Mouse (White)	White (IEC C19)

 

[mac27]

Thanks for the kind words. Yes, this is a case where I am certain that the box pieces are all original to the machine based on the ownership history and condition of the unit when I received it. And, the list looks good to me! All of that is consistent with the CIB machines I have in my collection.

This thread and @atakioki's work above inspired me to look on the underside of my machines' accessories covers, and lo and behold there were the labels:


Left: Power Mac G4 Dual 1.25 GHz (FW800); Right: Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 867 MHz

For the Quicksilver I read these numbers as:

658-0232 ??
600-8671 Blank DVD-R Disc
600-8671 Blank DVD-R Disc
600-9427 Power Mac G4 Media (CD packet) **
600-9426 Power Mac G4 Print (documentation packet) **
590-1122 RJ-11 Modem Cable
590-2286 4-pin-to-6-pin FireWire Cable
590-2299 USB Extension Cable **

**Part numbers that are verified off the parts with my system.

What's weird here is that there is only one remaining mystery number but the keyboard, mouse, and power cable are all unaccounted for. Maybe it's for the cable and the kbd/mouse didn't get one? Not sure.

I've learned here that I am actually missing the modem cable for this system, so I'll be ordering that off eBay stat! I also hadn't included the DVD-R discs in the accessories photos for this machine as I wasn't sure if they were original to the machine, but now I know they were.


For the MDD I read these numbers as:

590-5180 Power Cable
591-0079 USB Extension Cable **
603-0599 Speaker Grille **
603-2120 DVI to VGA Adapter **
657-0210 Apple Pro Mouse (black) **
602-5222 ??
591-0075 RJ-11 Modem Cable **
603-2200 Power Mac G4 Print (documentation packet) **
603-2495 Blank DVD-R Disc
658-0235 ??
603-2795 Power Mac G4 Media (CD packet)

** Part numbers that are verified off the parts with my system.

One of the two remaining items must be the keyboard; I am not sure what the last item would be.

If anyone is able to confirm what the remaining parts/items are for either of these systems, would be keen to hear it!

 

[atakioki]

Apple showed the black keyboard with the MDD (here) but amazingly that's the only visual evidence on their website, which I can find at least.

Its a shame the store didn't get archived. Apple seems to be allergic to showing peripherals when they present the machines or in their ads to help figure this out: )

 

[atakioki]

For the MDD I read these numbers as:

590-5180 Power Cable
591-0079 USB Extension Cable **
603-0599 Speaker Grille **
603-2120 DVI to VGA Adapter **
657-0210 Apple Pro Mouse (black) **
602-5222 ??
591-0075 RJ-11 Modem Cable **
603-2200 Power Mac G4 Print (documentation packet) **
603-2495 Blank DVD-R Disc
658-0235 ??
603-2795 Power Mac G4 Media (CD packet)

If anyone is able to confirm what the remaining parts/items are for either of these systems, would be keen to hear it!

Interestingly, here is a French White M7803 with 'F 658-0235' on it!

Like Chris said, thanks for sharing your collection with us in such detail, really beautiful (and helpful)

 

[mac27]

Interestingly, here is a French White M7803 with 'F 658-0235' on it!

Like Chris said, thanks for sharing your collection with us in such detail, really beautiful (and helpful)

Thanks for the kind words. Interesting - so 658-0235 is definitely the keyboard then; who knows what the remaining 602-5222 is.

 

[mac27]

I've updated the item pages for these two G4 towers with photographs and documentation the full, correct sets of accessories now that they've been properly identified and verified:


Power Mac G4 Quicksilver (867 MHz)


Power Mac G4 MDD (FW800 - Dual 1.25 GHz)

According to the P/N list for the MDD there is still some unidentified mystery item left remaining but I don't know what it is. If anyone reading this in the future can verify (see my comment above in this thread), please let me know!

 

[mac27]

Returning to this thread now that I have launched CompleteSet, a new online resource that aims to address questions like this in a more efficient and reliable way.

Right now the software CDs portion of the project is the only complete part; I will also be expanding this to documentation materials and accessories/peripherals in the future. If anyone (@chriscarruthers, @adespoton) is interested in helping out with assembling information I can probably use all the help I can get, lol.

 

[mac27]

Oops, forgot to link it: mac27's CompleteSet

 

[chriscarruthers]

Nice work @mac27 ! Here's some info to complicate things a little...

I have an early iMac software packet which I think is from my brother's Bondi rev. B but it seems to straddle the info you have for rev. B and C... plus a CD difference too. Note that it was Australian-delivered so perhaps there were regional differences?

Software Packet Part No.: 602-3821-A (plus sticker Z600-7138B). Yellow package, orange discs.
Install: 8.5.1 (1.0) Z691-2177-A
Restore: 8.5.1 (1.0) Z691-2176-A
Additional: Williams-Sonoma Good Cooking; Kai's Photo Soap SE; Adobe PageMill 3.0; Quicken '98 Deluxe; Kai's Power Tools 3.0; MDK (presumed/remembered but currently missing)

Perhaps late rev. Bs got the 8.5.1 update that then shipped with rev. Cs too?

 

[mac27]

Interesting, thanks for sharing. This is certainly one of these cases (of which there are plenty) where it's likely impossible to place it on one side of the fence or the other (rev B or C) without definitive knowledge from the original owner as to what system it shipped with. Also, since it's an Australian package and the packet + discs all have the "Z" prefix (which is missing on mine) as well as the "B" suffix, this leads me to believe this is probably apples-to-oranges with North American systems.

I don't yet know what all the "Z" prefixes mean - I've seen a lot of Z, 1Z, 2Z. Guessing it is region-related somehow.

Sometime soon I should probably put a large disclaimer on CompleteSet stating that it is for US/North American systems ONLY, as there are most certainly going to be tons of discrepancies with international versions. But it's still good to have additional information.

 

[adespoton]

Interesting, thanks for sharing. This is certainly one of these cases (of which there are plenty) where it's likely impossible to place it on one side of the fence or the other (rev B or C) without definitive knowledge from the original owner as to what system it shipped with. Also, since it's an Australian package and the packet + discs all have the "Z" prefix (which is missing on mine) as well as the "B" suffix, this leads me to believe this is probably apples-to-oranges with North American systems.

I don't yet know what all the "Z" prefixes mean - I've seen a lot of Z, 1Z, 2Z. Guessing it is region-related somehow.

Sometime soon I should probably put a large disclaimer on CompleteSet stating that it is for US/North American systems ONLY, as there are most certainly going to be tons of discrepancies with international versions. But it's still good to have additional information.

"Z" refers to "International" -- it's the "Zed" release -- usually localized to international spellings and keyboard layouts. However, there's a number of variations, so you end up with 1Z, 2Z etc. if there are different international configurations for the same product.

 

[mac27]

Cool, thanks. I've also seen a lot of disc sets where only one of the discs, sometimes even a random one (e.g., restore disc #3 of 7) has a Z/1Z/2Z prefix, so I guess that is for stuff where only the materials on that disc are impacted.

Could you articulate more about why there might be multiple international configurations for a single product (by "international configuration" I assuming you mean one configuration that can be deployed anywhere in the world, in this context?)