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Andy’s PowerBook Problem

LaPorta

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If you so decided, let me point you to my old thread:


I never got to finish it with the battery rebuild part. I had it in my original thread prior to the site crash: I’ll have to add it back in.
 

AndyO

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P.S. This thread is getting dangerous - actually making me want to start a PB collection again... :eek: Yours look really nice!
Thanks!!

It's ironic that the one thing I knew I wasn't going to get was a PowerBook, because I didn't want one. I hate to think how many I'd have gathered together if I had actually set out to collect them instead! Discovering the amazing qualities in some of these models, such as the PDQ and 190/5300, and the 100-series I began with has been a real highlight.
 

AndyO

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If you so decided, let me point you to my old thread:


I never got to finish it with the battery rebuild part. I had it in my original thread prior to the site crash: I’ll have to add it back in.
I recall the original too - it did tempt me to have a go myself! Thanks!
 

AndyO

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Here, my 13-inch Wallstreet, into which I switched a new keyboard since the original was fairly heavily gummed up, and the first Lombard I got, which the US Postal Service did its best to damage, but it mostly survived - just some damage on the front-left corner.

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The Wallstreet is actually very pleasing, and quite fast. Like both PDQs, it has an mSATA SSD which makes it run very smoothly. I replaced the Lombard HD with an IDE-SD adapter, which is remarkably fast, but creates a bright red glow through the keyboard from it's power LED. I couldn't get the same IDE-SD adapter to work in the Wallstreet or either PDQ when I tried.
 

AndyO

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And finally... for today at least, my family of G4 PowerBooks, with the cutest of them all, the original 876MHz 12-inch at the top, and on the far side, a 15 and 17-inch MacBook Pro - technically not PowerBooks, but these are the 2005 first edition Intel models, so they almost count.

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3lectr1cPPC

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This is quite possibly the coolest PowerBook thread I’ve seen.
Maybe I should start my own thread to detail my PowerBooks and iBooks, or a general one for anyone to post to. I’ve also been loving this one! Would anyone be interested?
 

AndyO

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Those were all working PowerBooks.... these two are not. On the left, the parts 520c I bought because it came with a power adapter which I needed. And despite it being broken, actually does boot up. On the right, the 540c I somehow managed to break by trying to switch a new keyboard into it. It also has odd screen problems - a discoloration all around the edges, and a diagonal bubble across it, which can't be seen when it was powered up, but shows here.

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I will eventually get round to trying to get the 540c up again, but the 520c has already given up its floppy drive - to the Wallstreet's floppy drive module.
 

Hopfenholz

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Fantastic thread… proper obsession that Andy, well done!

A few random thoughts/memories from me: I had a 2nd hand PowerBook 100 when I went off to University in 1995 - with the external floppy drive! I was always using the university connection to ftp into Apple servers and downloading stuff from ftp://mirror.apple.com

This eventually got upgraded to a PowerBook 180 - a proper beast with 68030 processor and beauti full active matrix greyscale display. My essays had never looked so good. I was still permanently skint, buying up old bits of Apple kit from various academics across Bristol university and trying to re-sell them to make some money. Usually losing money though as I’d spot a bit of kit I couldn’t resist… eg monochrome Apple Portrait Display.

I skipped over the 520/540 generation, which was a shame as these are possibly the most beautiful PBS ever to my eyes. I got an LC475 instead which gave me 040 power.

Post-university, I had a bit more cash coming in and finally got myself a PowerBook G3 Series (Wallstreet) 233MHz which I managed to find a 300MHz daughter card for. One of the best computers I ever owned, it ran 9.2.2 and MS Office, Internet Explorer 5 (best web browser at the time), BBEdit and was the sweetest web dev rig ever. That glorious 14” screen in 1024x768, which felt like so much under MacOS 9!

That was the PowerBook high point. Around that time the transition to MacOS X started and it really felt like a backward step until the TiBook came out (still does in some ways!). I had a 2nd gen Ti Book with the DVI port and the slightly higher res. That felt like a whole generation on from any PC laptop. Still a nice machine today.

For me PowerBooks will always be about classic MacOS. I don’t think X was a good experience until Apple moved to Intel and the MacBook Pro. With an SSD, a 15” chassis and the Core2 Duo chip X finally made sense.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane Andy
 

3lectr1cPPC

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a discoloration all around the edges, and a diagonal bubble across it, which can't be seen when it was powered up, but shows here.
Yep, that’s vinegar syndrome. Keep it away from the other PowerBooks, I’ve heard it spreads :oops:
 

AndyO

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Fantastic thread… proper obsession that Andy, well done!

A few random thoughts/memories from me: I had a 2nd hand PowerBook 100 when I went off to University in 1995 - with the external floppy drive! I was always using the university connection to ftp into Apple servers and downloading stuff from ftp://mirror.apple.com

This eventually got upgraded to a PowerBook 180 - a proper beast with 68030 processor and beauti full active matrix greyscale display. My essays had never looked so good. I was still permanently skint, buying up old bits of Apple kit from various academics across Bristol university and trying to re-sell them to make some money. Usually losing money though as I’d spot a bit of kit I couldn’t resist… eg monochrome Apple Portrait Display.

I skipped over the 520/540 generation, which was a shame as these are possibly the most beautiful PBS ever to my eyes. I got an LC475 instead which gave me 040 power.

Post-university, I had a bit more cash coming in and finally got myself a PowerBook G3 Series (Wallstreet) 233MHz which I managed to find a 300MHz daughter card for. One of the best computers I ever owned, it ran 9.2.2 and MS Office, Internet Explorer 5 (best web browser at the time), BBEdit and was the sweetest web dev rig ever. That glorious 14” screen in 1024x768, which felt like so much under MacOS 9!

That was the PowerBook high point. Around that time the transition to MacOS X started and it really felt like a backward step until the TiBook came out (still does in some ways!). I had a 2nd gen Ti Book with the DVI port and the slightly higher res. That felt like a whole generation on from any PC laptop. Still a nice machine today.

For me PowerBooks will always be about classic MacOS. I don’t think X was a good experience until Apple moved to Intel and the MacBook Pro. With an SSD, a 15” chassis and the Core2 Duo chip X finally made sense.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane Andy
Yeah. Not embarrassed at the number of PBs at all. Nope!

I don't have a 100, but the Duo 230 is similar, and I would absolutely love it if the keyboard weren't totally awful. Still, these systems I have do I think represent the golden age of portables, even if just the Apple variety. By today's standards they're slow, clunky and terribly limited, but that's only because we've grown accustomed to complexity, notifications, a constancy of systems demanding attention for themselves, and a mistaken belief that power is what matters, when in reality, what matters is truly talented programmers giving users what they need, in tightly efficient software.

I was lucky that by the time I got into Macs, which was 1986, my employer was sitting me down at one, and kept feeding me new ones. As a support manager in HE, Apple had groups of us working on projects such as network integration, and they fed me systems from time to time to experiment with. I didn't have to spend too much of my own money - just as well since tech support in universities didn't pay that well! I did have an SE for a few years, then a 475, and later a clone. PowerBooks were not at all my thing though.

It does seem I'm making up for it now, though the only time I've done that deliberately was the 12, 15 and 17-inch G4 PowerBooks - having one of each was a goal I set myself just for the sake of it.

I didn't get into OS X until my TiBook, which is another laptop I never really liked, but bought new in 2002. I much prefer classic Mac OS even though it lacks sophistication by today's standards. Or actually, because it does! The TiBook needs to be mended, but I have no idea what is actually wrong with it, or where to start fixing it.

Rather wish I'd encountered the 5300 sooner... I might not have so many other PBs if I had! Except the Wallstreet and PDQ are superb too, only marginally improved by having SSDs.
 

AndyO

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Yep, that’s vinegar syndrome. Keep it away from the other PowerBooks, I’ve heard it spreads :oops:
Oh, ok. I presumed there had been something like water damage since there's signs of that inside it, but I'll label it Typhoid Mary, and put it in a bag!
 

3lectr1cPPC

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The good news is that it’s fixable, you’ll just need to peel off the polarizing layer from the display, clean up the adhesive (that’s the part that goes bad) and replace the polarizer. Not a high priority if you already have one that works though.
Yeah. Not embarrassed at the number of PBs at all. Nope!
There’s no such thing as too many laptops… right?
 

AndyO

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The good news is that it’s fixable, you’ll just need to peel off the polarizing layer from the display, clean up the adhesive (that’s the part that goes bad) and replace the polarizer. Not a high priority if you already have one that works though.
I have a 520c which works perfectly (crosses fingers, just to be on the safe side), and which has not had it's photo taken for this thread yet. While the 540c's active matrix display looks amazingly sharp by comparison, the 520 is plenty good enough itself. The 500-series were not favorites of mine though. I know they were well liked generally, but I'm not a big fan of the shape.
There’s no such thing as too many laptops… right?
Absolutely not, no!!

Which means I need at least a 165c, 180c (I know, might as well expect to win the lottery), a 3400, a Kanga.... Oh, my, I do have a problem!
 

3lectr1cPPC

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I like the 500 series design but the display housing is a plastic nightmare, even worse than the 100 series. Luckily 3D printing has come to the rescue bit it’s still a pain. My 540c has far more plastic woes than just the display, so I‘m probably going to wait for a parts machine to do any work on it. The 180c is great but the LCD is a big capacitor pain.
 

AndyO

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I like the 500 series design but the display housing is a plastic nightmare, even worse than the 100 series. Luckily 3D printing has come to the rescue bit it’s still a pain. My 540c has far more plastic woes than just the display, so I‘m probably going to wait for a parts machine to do any work on it. The 180c is great but the LCD is a big capacitor pain.
Yeah, the 540c I have was already suffering plastics issues before I accidentally killed it. This era of systems was obviously not expected to last this long!

I'm not in a hurry for any other PowerBooks now, but you never know what might pop up. And I wouldn't mind paying a sensible price for a recapped 180c. There was one on here in the trading section sometime back I think, but I missed it!

I do have enough systems to keep me busy... and constantly having to decide which of them to use - though I think the new 5300 will win that most of the time. Except that a 13 or 14-inch screen helps with some of the work I do, and a trackball is almost always preferable to a trackpad for me, so leaping to and from Wallstreet/PDQ and 145B/165/180 happens a lot! Perhaps I don't have enough work to do?!
 
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