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A $75 SE/30 Surprise

warmech

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Woke up yesterday morning and scrolled through marketplace posts on Facebook while enjoying my coffee and came across a post that caught my eye: "Antique Macintosh Computer - Make Offer" I figured, "Oh great, a $1000 Mac Plus that's yellowed to all hell," but was stunned to see an SE form factor... with the name on the left side of the bezel. That wasn't the part that really had my attention, though. The photo of the back just barely caught the expansion port, which was populated with a DA15 connector - that had my attention.

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"Screw it," I thought, and made an offer for $100. I figured "they knew what they had" and were going to ask a fortune for it, but they said okay and asked when I could be there; I told them I'd be there in an hour, the amount of time it would take me to walk to my car and book it across the county. One trip to the boondocks later, and I was talking to the lady who made the post. She said she hadn't tested it because they were just clearing out some of her mom's old things and were about to just toss it out, but decided to throw it on Facebook just to see if anyone was interested. I realized I may have offered too much once I saw the state of the thing, but she offered to find a cable to test it with. Against my better judgement (never test in person) I accepted and, as should have been expected for the environment it came from, it didn't power on - no chime, no CRT charge up, no nothing. The lady was super nice and offered to lower the price to $75, a price I was more than happy with. I brought my toolbag with me and (once I paid and walked back to my car) took the back cover off. Lo and behold, my diligence paid off: inside the case was something I'd been waiting to come across for years now - a Radius 030 Color Pivot card. The logic board was not battery bombed, but had a lot of capacitor gunk to mitigate. The corrosion doesn't look terrible, but will need some work.

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Once I got home, I pulled the card and hard drive dropped them into my working SE/30 and fired it up. Behold, the glory of an external color display on a compact Mac...

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Now to embark upon something I've wanted to do for years: get MYST running on an SE/30.
 

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warmech

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Quick follow-up! I gently cleaned the board; soaked it in alcohol for a few hours; gently scrubbed the cap-affected areas with vinegar to remove corrosion; thoroughly rinsed everything for several minutes, and have returned it to the alcohol bath to finish cleaning for the evening. The results are much better than I was anticipating; the corrosion has been removed from the pads and ICs and there appear to be no damaged traces anywhere. This will get pulled and dried tonight and hooked up to an SE analogue board for testing tomorrow. If it at least comes to life, I'll get caps ordered from Mouser and pick them up from will call on Tuesday for further work. Not gonna lie, living practically within jogging distance of them is stupidly convenient. ;)
 

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warmech

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Myst on SE/30? Even playable?
For the life of me, I haven't been able to find the thread, but someone on Twitter had a thread over the course of a few days where they were trying to do exactly that - get it running on a SE/30 with a color video card. I believe they were successful in the end, but I'm having a dog of a time tracking them down. For what it's worth, Myst had fairly paltry system requirements; aside from the lack of color, an SE/30 was more than capable of running it. Just, you know... no color, which was very important, lol (the game won't even run if anything less than 256 colors is detected). I even went back to check the sysreqs for Myst, and they were really even lower than I remembered:
  • Mac LC or faster (check)
  • System 7.0.1 or higher (check)
  • 4 MB RAM (check)
  • 3 MB free disk space (check)
  • CD-ROM drive (external SCSI, but check)
  • 256 Colors (very narrowly a check, but a check nonetheless)
 

warmech

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Behold, Myst on an SE/30. No extra work at all; it ran with no additional config beyond making sure the system was in 256 color mode. I'll be writing this up in its own thread in the Compact Mac sub-forum, but this was a quick grab for the sake of my own giddy excitement!

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joshc

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Myst was originally developed on an SE/30, IIRC they later used Qudras when they came out for rendering but I think I recall in an interview one of the creators mentioning the original development was done on an SE/30 with a colour card.
 

tommijazz91

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Wow! Please explain how you did this! Are modifications to the game necessary?
Nope, no mods 😀. I have a Myst.img file (should be the one from Macintosh garden), I mount it with DiskCopy and it just runs :). There are some warnings like “this game needs 256 Colors to run” but I click Ok and it starts anyway. Even the QuickTime animations work.

Also... it lives! No sound, but nothing a recapping shouldn't clear up, given the nature of the caps on this thing.

Congrats! Another board saved 😀.
 

davidg5678

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Nope, no mods 😀. I have a Myst.img file (should be the one from Macintosh garden), I mount it with DiskCopy and it just runs :). There are some warnings like “this game needs 256 Colors to run” but I click Ok and it starts anyway. Even the QuickTime animations work.



Congrats! Another board saved 😀.
Cool! I will have to give this a try at some point. :)

I have a color Mac IIsi video card that I bought from eBay for $4 a couple of years ago, and I think I should be able to use it in my SE/30 with some modifications. Perhaps I can figure out a way to adapt the output video signals to my Macintosh II's AppleColor High-Resolution Monitor? This would make for quite an interesting project...
 

nottomhanks

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This is the craziest find ever!!! Way to go!! I had a similar experience last year when I saw an SE/30 on eBay with the DB15 on the back and immediately hit the Buy It Now button. It was a functioning SE/30 AND it had the elusive Micron XCEED Color 30 card in it!! Paid much more than $75, but I was happy with what I got it for. Working on the gray scale board and harness now..
 

ymk

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JDW had Myst running on both the internal CRT and external monitor with a Micron Xceed:

 

davidg5678

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Cool! I will have to give this a try at some point. :)

I have a color Mac IIsi video card that I bought from eBay for $4 a couple of years ago, and I think I should be able to use it in my SE/30 with some modifications. Perhaps I can figure out a way to adapt the output video signals to my Macintosh II's AppleColor High-Resolution Monitor? This would make for quite an interesting project...
I finally got around to doing this project! I am using a Radius Color Pivot IIsi video card which doesn't fit inside the SE/30, but I was able to hack something together outside the machine, and it works! I don't think that I will be able to connect this model of video card to my AppleColor High-Resolution Monitor, because the Pivot video card only seems to support one video resolution, which of course doesn't happen to be the same one as my CRT.

I was able to get Myst to run, but it performs terribly on my SE/30 for some reason. I only have 4MB of RAM, and the game is running off of an IMG file mounted with DiskCopy, but it seems like the performance ought to be way better. The game completely crashes/freezes when I try to click on the book video, and the music stutters pretty badly. I could try mounting the CD image with my SCSI2SD as a separate SCSI ID, so it wouldn't run off of the same virtual drive, but I don't really know where the bottleneck is. If I had to guess, 4MB of RAM + System 7.1 w/ extensions is the most likely culprit.

Thanks to everyone in this thread who posted pictures of Myst running on their Macintosh SE/30's!
 

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