Quicksilver Power Supply Recap

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I recapped a pair of Quicksilver G4 power supplies recently. Just the secondary side; everything south of the transformers. I left the rest alone. Unsurprisingly, some of the TEAPOs were bulging, but didn't appear to have started leaking yet. So far, the recap seems to have really helped the high-pitched whine/squeal that one of the supplies was making; oddly this was the cleaner one with the nicer-looking capacitors.

Since I couldn't find it anywhere else, here's a parts list. All dimensions are in mm, capacitance in uF:

I strongly suggest removing the large heatsink; it really opens up room to work. It's just 12 pins to desolder, which is easy with braid since the board is single-sided, and two screws to remove.
 
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One of the supplies had this odd rework on the fan speed control board:IMG_20251023_181512_900.jpg

The positive leg of that capacitor has been replaced by a resistor, and the positive wire for the fan is attached there instead of at the fan connector where you'd expect it to be. I didn't include that cap in the list above, but it's 47uf, 16v, 8x13mm. It was a Chemi-Con on this supply, so I left it alone.
 
Thanks @obsolete. I’ve had very good results when only replacing the first five caps noted in your list (all Teapo caps here in an AcBel QS PSU) even before obtaining an ESR meter afterwards to actually test them. Of the five caps pictured below, only C13 appears to not have domed like the other four. And without an ESR meter, the 20+ year-old Teapo capacitors are always suspect here… even (and perhaps especially) in MDD PSUs too.

Now however, I may go your “full route” and remove the heatsinks from two remaining “project” QS PSUs here and replace all capacitors noted on your entire list for a more complete recap. (When winter weather does drive me indoors for such projects.)

Thanks again!

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And there’s also a related topic over on MacOS9Lives.com detailing more info on the QS AcBels:
 
Thanks for posting your work! Those green caps look like the same bad ones I found in a DA power supply:

68kmla.org/bb/index.php?threads/a-digital-audio-restore-upgrade.50152/

Most of the little electrolytic caps were bad too, but the big/main 200v measured ok.
 
Thanks guys. Here's where you need to desolder to remove the big heatsink (circled in red) and remove the two screws (circled in white):IMG_20251102_194020_175.jpg

I took the picture right after reassembling, so those pins haven't been resoldered yet. This is power supply #2, which had a green TEAPO on the fan board, like the one in your pictures, @MBongo. It was 470uF, 16V--I'm not sure if the blue Chemi-con on the other supply was different, or if I made a typo when I wrote 47uF above. I'll check when I have that one apart again; despite the partial recap, it still has a bit of a whine to it. I wonder if the whine is related to the fan board rework, or if I need to replace the rest of the Lelon caps on the primary side. Everything I removed tested good for capacitance, for what it's worth, even the one TEAPO that was bulging. I don't have an ESR meter, though.
 
Just checked the two power supplies. This is #1, apparently it's Rev. B, date code looks like week 25 of 2001. This one has more Chemi-Con caps (as per the list in my first post) and has the funky fan control board rework.
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This is #2, Rev. E, week 51 of 2001. So AcBel was going through a design revision every couple months during 2001 on this supply...nice. This one has more TEAPO caps, but has no hand rework and does not whine. The label has also added an Apple part number label (wasn't much of a mystery who Customer 290 was) and the current rating for the +25V standby rail has been increased.
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Thank you for the cap list. I've done 5 of the caps on the lower side of the heatsink. When I pop a different gfx card in my QS the power supply whines so I may go ahead and change all the caps...it's definitely the power supply. My unit is a Rev D
 
Here's a parts list for the Rev. E fan control board. All dimensions are in mm, capacitance in uF:
 
I did! Digikey have a ‘UK’ redirection, but the parts still ship from the US. Having said that, I’ve used Mouser UK and RS components in the past and shipping was still quite expensive.
 
All recapped, unfortunately my psu noise is still there, so I need to look further afield. At least it’s good now for a few more years.
 
This is useful for me @obsolete - your #1 power supply is exactly the same model and date code as what I see in my 2000 QS dual 800.

I've had it sitting in the basement unplugged for at least 15 years now. Started to do some fan mods on it ages ago, then ended up cannibalizing cards from it for other systems. Before I load it up again, I'll see if it starts up then check the caps.
 
I've been trying to kill the high-pitched whine/hiss in the Rev. B power supply, correlated with CPU/GPU load, for a while now and have not been successful. In addition to the recap, I tried swapping the Rev. E fan control board into the Rev. B. It works fine, but no noise improvement.

I thought I'd found a really good lead here: https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troub...14027-acbel-9841-problems?p=351515#post351515

These are the PWM daughterboards from the Rev. E supply. The date codes on them are weeks 48 and 49 of 2001. Electrolytic caps are the usual suspects, Lelon and Teapo:
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Here are the same boards from the Rev. B supply. Date codes are weeks 22 and 23 of 2001. I haven't spotted any differences between these and the Rev. E boards except the suppliers of the 3842 chips:

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On the main power supply board, the small board is labeled PCB3 and the larger board is labeled PCB4. It's clear that in both cases, the smaller board has been running hot for a long time. The board and green jacket on the Lelon capacitor are both discolored. Seems reasonable to speculate that the Rev. E drove an ADC display for a long time, and the Rev. B didn't, based on the heat discoloration on the larger boards.

The electrolytic caps are:
RefDesCapacitanceVoltageWidth (mm)Height (mm)
C303, C4092.2uF50512
C3090.47uF50512
C40310uF50512

Both of the Rev. B's 2.2uF caps were fully cooked. No measurable capacitance. The Rev. E's were hanging on at 2.2uF and 1.8uF, but its 0.47uF was cooked. All four of these should be a high priority to replace, given how hard they seem to be working in this design.

I had the 10uF and 0.47uF parts on hand, so I replaced those with new parts. I didn't have any 2.2uF caps, so I tried the tired but not quite dead Lelons from Rev. E on the Rev. B board. No improvement in noise. I have some new 3.3s, I should just throw those on. If the circuit still worked with failed caps, it can't be that picky...

Based on the BadCaps post linked above, I checked all the MLCCs on all 4 boards. I removed them individually and measured them out of circuit. All of them measured sane values, matching between boards. No evidence of them "going out of tolerance" unless Andy3665 meant that they drift excessively when hot? Could be the case with crappy dielectric. I don't think that's related to my noise problem, though; it's evident almost immediately after power on.

Here's a table of the MLCCs, just in case it's useful to anyone:

RefDesCapacitanceSize
C304, C307, C4041nF (1000pF)0805
C301, C407100nF (0.1uF)0805
C302, C40210nF (0.01uF)1206
C305, C405680pF0805
C308, C408220pF0805
C4061nF (1000pF)1206
C407? Bodge on PCB41nF (1000pF)Through-hole

There must have been a good reason to use a through-hole (single layer?) 1nF ceramic capacitor bodged onto the pins and glued down instead of just populating an MLCC at C407, since they kept it through multiple revisions of the main supply.
 
The sound is probably coming from the magnetic components. Are there obvious differences with those? For example, if one of the toroid inductors on the quiet PS is covered in that rubber goop, that could be why it's quiet.
 
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