Mac Classic: Update from 6.0.3 to 7.5.3.

[juanjavier]

Hi everyone!!

I have got what seems a tricky problem. I have got Cubase 2.5 which (still missing to confirm that System 7.x is mandatory to run it) under System 6.0.3.

The thing is that I haven't manage to boot it from within a Macintosh Classic with 4 mb RAM and System 6.0.3 installed. (See http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7777 ).

So...is there any tutorial to update from 6.0.3 to 7.5.3?

I know that I have to download the full 19 disks for 7.5.3. But here http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Su ... 3_Info.txt

is stated that at least System 7.0 is needed in order to acomplish a 7.5.3 update. So providing I have **not** got access to any kind of internet from the Classic....how should I proceed?

Thanks in advance for a quick reply....

[porter]

Can you produce macintosh disks from disk images? The Classic can read 1440k disks.

Alternatively, you could use a terminal emulator or similar to transfer files over the modem port.

[Dog Cow]

There should be a complete 7.5.3 install, which doesn't require an update. I have it on burned on to a CD (downloaded file from Apple), but don't know if it's on disks as well.

[juanjavier]

There should be a complete 7.5.3 install, which doesn't require an update. I have it on burned on to a CD (downloaded file from Apple), but don't know if it's on disks as well.

---Ok Dog Cow, I will search for it. The thing is that I am trying to run Cubase 2.5 for the 68k mac.

Cubase 2.5 for the 68k mac is known to run on 7.5.3, but I need to update from 6.0.7 to at leaset 7.0.1 in order to install 7.5.3.

---Does anyone if Cubase runs under 7.0.1? This way I could bypass to install 7.5.3 in a Macintosh Classic which, due to performance reasons, is strongly **not** recommended.

I am trying to run Cubase on a Macintosh Classic. I downloaded the image, but I am not able to mount and run it under System 6.0.3.

Does anyone if it runs in System 7.0.1 or 7.1?
Thanks for a reply. Regards.

[Scott Baret]

How big is the hard drive on your Classic? If you've got the standard 40MB drive you may want to consider upgrading it unless you're going to do a "bare bones" install.

[juanjavier]

--I managed to «find out the truth»...

Cubase will not automount in 7.0.1 either. So I am forced to update to 7.5.3, but within a 40 mb hard disk and having to copy the full 19 .smi files for 7.5.3 onto it (22,8 mb) leaves me with no space to install.

So...any other idea?

(...)unless you're going to do a "bare bones" install.

What is that and how is it done?

[Scott Baret]

Use the custom install option and install the "minimal system". That way it won't take up much hard drive space and will actually use less RAM since fewer options are installed. Basically, it makes it more like 7.1 yet even more stripped down.

[equill]

Two considerations.

First, as an 8MHz 68000 machine, a Classic runs 32-bit code with all the verve of a boiled worm. A Classic limps in 7.5, which was the beginning of 68040-savvy system software, and a requirement for 7.5.3 must make you alert to a possible need for a PowerPC processor. What does the Cubase literature tell you about 'System Requirements'?

Second, you are not talking about an Update, but two (nearly three) stages of Upgrade. 7.1 and 7.5 were paid-for upgrades when they were released. Apple has kindly released 7.5 update 2 (or 7.5.3) as a standalone free download, effectively making it an upgrade, but to expect it to run elegantly, even if emulation is available, on a 24-bit machine with only 4MB of RAM is hopeful in the extreme. You will not be able to use virtual memory to make up for the lack of physical RAM in a Classic.

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[juanjavier]

Ok, I managed to solve the issue. Cubase is finally running on my Classic.

Two considerations.

(...) What does the Cubase literature tell you about 'System Requirements'?

68000 with 4 mb RAM and system 7 at least. Though soon I will try to boot it under 6.0.8
and post the results....you know that companies specify the requirements for their products
higher that real in order to get no claim of the software functioning...I don't know if this
is the case....

Second, (...) ...but to expect it to run elegantly, even if emulation is available, on a 24-bit machine with only 4MB of RAM is hopeful in the extreme. You will not be able to use virtual memory to make up for the lack of physical RAM in a Classic.

This is not needed for Cubase 2.5, since either there is no audio nor plugin effects . AFAIK it may be for later Cubase VST releases for macs later than Classic. This is not the case. Kindly read the last post in this thread.

A bootdisk with a *minimal* system 7.5 did the trick in order to unwrap the package; which BTW was not downloaded from the Apple page, but from the MacGeeks one.

The hard drive space was solved by **not full-installing** 7.5.3.

See the situation of my 40 mb hard-drive with an installed and working Cubase (8,9 mb used, 29,4 free!).

(...) A Classic limps in 7.5 (...)

I **do not** run Cubase in 7.5. I ***expanded** Cubase in 7.5, but currently do launch the compressed image in the desktop (which is always there no matter I reboot) in system 7.0.1, which works good on such a machine (perhaps not so perfect as 6.0.8 -I openly agree with you-, but it is still fine in my opinion).

The thing is that in the end I managed it to work without the need of a resident 7.5.3, which is a good thing regarding a Classic. I agree with you that for the machine would have been to make it walk with stones in the feet..

7.5 was only used once to unwrap the disk image. Once it is in the hard-drive, I always boot and run Cubase happily in 7.0.1.

Regards.

[equill]

That you won through is the important consideration. Without being there or knowing what ancillary gear you have, it is difficult to comprehend your choice of route to success, roundabout as it seems. But enjoy!

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[juanjavier]

(...) roundabout as it seems.

--Sure it is!! lol

But enjoy!

---Thank you so much. Regards,

[gilles]

this thread helped me but I found another truth
system 7.5 is not needed, Shrinkwrap 2.1 can mount the cubase 2.5 image disc under 7.0.1

[Mk.558]

Ugh...Nov '08...nevermind

Disk Copy 6.3.3 runs under 7.0.1 and uncompresses the .img just fine.

[IPalindromeI]

Tip: System 7.1 with extensions often runs pretty much everything 7.5.x does. You may need:

• Thread Manager
• Sound Manager
• Mac Drag and Drop
• ObjectSupportLib
• CFM-68K

[LCGuy]

Yep...I only ran System 7.1 on my LCIII back in the day (until I got my PowerBook 1400, when I used its install CD to update the LCIII to 7.6.1), and I used to have quite a bit of fun getting game demos and the like to run that "required" System 7.5.