System 0.85

[Patrickool93]

If you can, try "Mousing Around" on the disk... Really fun!

[Patrickool93]

http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/P ... ure1-9.png
That's after Key Caps crashes

http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/P ... ure3-5.png
lol, I just though it was funny

[MultiFinder]

http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/Patrickool93/?action=view&current=Picture1-9.png
That's after Key Caps crashes

I've extended my analysis a bit

Are you running that in the 128k version of Mini vMac? On mine, it just brings up a blank dialog box and freezes. It doesn't put all that garbage up on the screen.

[The Macster]

I ran the first version fine, but when I try the second version (the one with the beta Finder) it puts up the "abnormal situation" message when it starts up. I press C to continue and it's fine after that, except there is an "unknown disk" on the Mac's desktop as well as the "system 0.87" disk - what's going on there?

[MultiFinder]

It does the same thing for me. It's no major issue, probably just a few bugs. Notice that the unknown disk is only 200 and it's ghosted.

[The Macster]

What does the ghosting of the unknown disk mean?

So which version is the version that runs when you use the Guided Tour disk? The one with this beta Finder, or the first download in the topic that has Finder 1.0?

[Patrickool93]

Yes, I'm using 128k rom and all that..
I got the opened dialog, but then I did something else too, I'm trying to replicate it...

[Kallikak]

That ghost disk appears when you run it on a real 128K mac as well. And so does the Key Caps crash. The about box is interesting because it is actually drawn up using quickdraw rather than being a PICT resource. And, to bring up something lost from the old forums, there's a grim reaper icon in the Finder, but I couldn't find anything in the code that referenced it

Here's the google cache for the old thread - may or may not work...

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Av ... =firefox-a

Ken

[iMac600]

On my version of Mini vMac 128k, you can very briefly see "Mounting Mousing Around on the Desktop" and the same for "AMAZING". Maybe it was supposed to mount to the Unknown Disk.

However, both Mousing Around and Amazing still work.

[q-pa]

Hey, just reporting I'm getting both 404 and 500 errors when I try to download the System .zip files in the first few posts...

Thx.

[iMac600]

The server went through a reformat and restore a week ago, and the files
were lost. Since I assumed the thread was dead I just deleted it... now I
need to go back through my local drives and find it.

If I do, i'll let you know and post up a link.

EDIT: Spoke too soon, it was there on my (incredibly messy) desktop. The link should work again.

http://www.irctunes.co.nr/system085.zip

[slomacuser]

Can anybody update the links of system 0.85 and a Mac 128k ROM, I would like to have !

[iMac600]

I have another one bundled at http://mac.profusehost.net/crosswire/mac.zip

I need to find a more permanent home for it.

[Mac128]

That ghost disk appears when you run it on a real 128K mac as well.

See this: Macintosh System Update insert. Dated January 25, 1984.

Evidently the ghost disk was originally used to copy files in the one-disk system. e.g. drag your files to the unknown disk image and you are prompted to insert the disk you want to copy to, then the unknown disk becomes whatever disk you insert and the files copy, most likely the disk was auto-ejected when finished and the unknown disk returned to the desktop. Obviously this was a bad idea they quickly changed.[/url]

[Kallikak]

It behaves like the trash in my copy of System 0.85 - so beware what you put in there! (So it will be deleted on launch of another application.) Maybe that's a side affect of whatever caching it used for this other copying behaviour. Will see what happens if I insert another disk when I get home.

Also, on System 0.85 it seems the scrollbars don't white out when the entire window contents are displayed.

Someone mentioned earlier that Scrapbook appeared non-functional, but it works for me.

Ken

[Kallikak]

That note above is very interesting actually. Is there a copy of the referenced "Macintosh, your owner's guide" scanned online somewhere? I'd like to read the "Alternate folder" or "Unknown folder" references mentioned in particular.

A few people in another thread listing their macs mention they have the manual. How about providing a scan for the rest of us? A lot of the Apple II stuff is available this way, and almost everything for TRS-80, but there seems to be a dearth of Macintosh material...

[Mac128]

Yes and so would I like to see the original manual, but to date I have not seen a copy of this manual which was replaced by a newer version a shortly after Macintosh shipped, even before 1.1 came out in April. So not many to be had.

As for putting something in the Unknown Disk, my experience was it did indeed disappear like the trash after a restart, but it reappeared in its original location and was not deleted. The nearest I can figure out, is you would drag the files you wanted to copy to it, eject your source disk, insert the copy-to disk and drag the files out of the Unknown Folder and into your copy disk. Basically the unknown folder seems to act as a RAM cache, holding the files in memory until you copy them somewhere else. Of course on a 128K, I doubt it held much before you had to start swapping disks though.

[CaryMG]

Click here to read >

As for the Macintosh demo at the 1984 Shareholders Meeting ....

I wrote about that very topic ! lol
Click here ta read it > "Macintosh Unveiling" Demo Floppy"

... you'd have better luck emailing anyone from the Mac Development Team ....

Someone else also broached that idea, too
Andy Herzfeld was contacted via email & responded ....

Sorry, I used to have floppies for the intro demo and the window manager demo
(ie, bouncing pepsis) but I misplaced them many years ago.
Sorry I couldn't help you.

... EXCEPT Steve Jobs.
He doesn't respond to anyone without an "@apple.com" email address.

That's the response I got. lol
Click here to read > "Steve Jobs's eMail Address"

[slomacuser]

Someone else also broached that idea, too

... prepare your best advocates, cause I will sue you for using unathorised material from me ... and that someone has a name

LOL

[fatmac]

I'm amazed at seeing the Tour Disc accessed in this way. It's great seeing it again. But someone just named the disc .85. I recall it should be named Tour. Notice nowhere in the Get Info does it give you a version of .xx anything. To the best of my knowledge this did not exist. It was just versioned "Macintosh Software". No version number. Understand that the Tour Disc was a type of autoplay event. You're not meant to interact with the Special OS on that disc the way that you are using the emulator. It's a special version only for making the tour work. So you are going to see inconsistencies. When you opened the box for your Macintosh(128k) there where two audio cassette tapes. The first one helped you unpack and setup your mac. The second tape gave instructions about how to unpack the discs and gave strict instructions. There was calming piano music as the mac booted. To take each tour one clicked on the tour icon and then synchronized the audio on the tape with the animations on the screen by clicking the mouse when you heard the 3rd tone. As far as I know that was the very first multimedia presentation ever given.

[Kallikak]

The System is a perfectly normal System, and it's version number is accessible just as for the later Systems - and reports as 0.85. The Finder is also on the disk, but named RealFinder and has only minor changes from a true standalone Finder (e.g. a "Quit" menu that can be fairly easily hacked away). A google search for "System 0.85" will bring up, among other things, my page discussing this at http://school.anhb.uwa.edu.au/personalp ... #system085.

Ken

[Mac128]

The System is a perfectly normal System, and it's version number is accessible just as for the later Systems - and reports as 0.85.

Yes, but you fail to say how ... you cannot use Get Info to get the System version. There is a small freeware app called SysVersion just for this purpose on the early systems that did not otherwise have a way to report it, which may or may not be able to locate the MGT .85 version since it is kept in a different resource than .97 and up. The other way to do it is with ResEdit and look at the original resource code where it is clearly stated.

As Kallikak correctly states, you have to break into the MGT System in order to run such applications on it, as it has been copy protected by Apple specifically to keep people from accidentally using it as a standalone system.

[Happy Mac]

The link to disk image is gone!

[madmax_2069]

I wonder why (look at the date of the posting)

[iMac600]

http://www.box.net/shared/herie8yerq

Really need to get this out there on a few mirrors. I don't normally need to change my box.net contents, but I can't guarantee it.