The first G-3 IC Packages were designed to be PIN-FOR-PIN compatible/replacements for the PROC in the 2300c.
(such as upgrading the rather pedestrian 100 Mhz 603e to an early G3)


Byrd wrote:Could you investigate the possibility of increasing the multiplier of the 2300c, ie. from 100Mhz to 117 or 133?
Byrd wrote: ... a total keyboard replacement for the slush-boxes they call "keyboards" on Duo portables!
. . . and then learn to live with it. 
MacJunky wrote:You mean the PPC 740? I am not sure what exact package the CPU in the duo is but there was some talk a while back about putting a 740 into a PM6400/6500. Unfortunately it never went anywhere. I think one of the issues was availability of the 740 but I cannot remember exactly.
MacJunky wrote:I just want to say that it would be really cool to see someone actually get the CPU and do it.



. . . my bad! Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:The DuoMauler I mentioned / could never find the "bus clock multiplier resistors,"Byrd wrote:increasing the multiplier
i'd probably just desolder the requisite legs of the CPU and hardwire the correct resistors to the freed CPU legs
Byrd wrote:total keyboard replacement
Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:it's a crapshoot in every case as to whether the "donor" has the 603e Package CPU in the Duo* or the later QFP (?) version of the G-3
Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:an entirely new PowerBook Duo form factor MoBo connected to a much more usable, much higher definition LCD!
I think that I may have found my I/O subsystem:/ http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7500
a more modern LCD - and WiFi antennage / modern battery technology
Bunsen wrote:Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:The DuoMauler I mentioned / could never find the "bus clock multiplier resistors,"Byrd wrote:increasing the multiplier
Would that be Tom's House of Hardware Hacking Horrors?
Bunsen wrote:Byrd wrote:total keyboard replacement
I'm with Byrd on this one. My vague thoughts along those lines include finding a decent mini keyboard at the swap meets, remapping the matrix (cut and join, cut and join), and connecting it to the Duo internal ADB ribbons.
Bunsen wrote:Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:it's a crapshoot in every case as to whether the "donor" has the 603e Package CPU in the Duo* or the later QFP (?) version of the G-3
Sparkfun Electronics and Australian ebay seller stuffdownunder both seem to have supplies of QFP-to-x adapter boards/sockets.
Bunsen wrote:Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:an entirely new PowerBook Duo form factor MoBo connected to a much more usable, much higher definition LCD!
That's a big shift in focus, jt, and a huge leap in (in)feasibility - from a theoretically possible CPU transplant to designing and making an entire new SFF logic board from scratch.
Bunsen wrote:Why a new logic, rather than just stuffing a Mini- or nano-ITX board in there? What defines "Duo form factor" to you?
Bunsen wrote:Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:I think that I may have found my I/O subsystem:/ http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7500
Nice board - but why just for an "I/O subsystem"? Why not pop an extra $30 for a complete ARM board with better specs? I guess I'm not following your new direction 100% just yet.
Bunsen wrote:Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:a more modern LCD - and WiFi antennage / modern battery technology
MiniITX (or similar) board with LVDS out. Compatible LVDS LCD. 12V worth of AA Lithium rechargables; lithium charger board/s. Bake on high for 30 minutes and cool before serving.
Bunsen wrote:Unless I'm missing something here ...
Franklinstein wrote:AFAIK, the PowerPC 740/750 were available only in a BGA package, never in a QFP; I don't even think that the 603ev could be found in a QFP.
Franklinstein wrote:I'd be very interested in seeing examples of the device of your donor parts candidates <snip>
Franklinstein wrote:Of course, there could exist some limited QFPs, but I doubt there would be many, as both the 603 and 604 were using BGAs long before the 740/750 was introduced. In fact, there are pictures somewhere of a prototype PB5300 (I think it was code-named Mustang or something) with a BGA 603.
Franklinstein wrote:But yes, the 740 is fully pad-compatible with the 603, so good luck finding a QFP version.
Franklinstein wrote:As for clocking the processors by directly modifying leads, that's not too bad of an idea, especially in lieu of a proper resistor config. Maybe I'll try it on a spare 5300 board when I'm home.
Franklinstein wrote:However, seeing as how the early PB1400s wouldn't use 166MHz processors (they'd always clock to a max of 133MHz), and with the issue being attributed to the ROMs, do you imagine that there could be a similar problem in the 2300 and 5300?
Yep, that works tooTrash80toHP_Mini wrote:BTW, there are MUCH more efficient means of prototyping KBDs, one of which is to fab a fiberglas copper-clad etched PCB replacement for the bottom membrane, thus stiffening said spongeboard!

. . . and why would the interface need to be ADB?
I would assume replacing the original barely adequate heatsink was part of the equation when contemplating a CPU transplant.Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:will the adapted CPU interface efficiently with the Duo's heatsink?
Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:a "carrier" board in the Duo form factor that "bolts right up" to the Duo's magnesium frame and has the same (or improved replacements) I/O and battery connections (or an expansion bay and INTERNAL battery combo) and places a VERY CAPABLE CPU under the magnesium heat sink
Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:Will said ARM outperform the Atom ChipSet in HP_Mini?Nice board - but why just for an "I/O subsystem"? Why not pop an extra $30 for a complete ARM board with better specs?
an open Source board
that is capable of fulfilling all the functions of the PBX Bridge IC and ALL the slow bus subsystems of the "ubuntuDu . . . erm . . . SuperDuo!" The CPU Card/Memory, fast i/O bus would be another matter entirely
I'm not yet familiar with those form factors or their heating/cooling/power/space/location requirementsBunsen wrote:MiniITX / Compatible LVDS LCD.
, integrated media processors (combined GPUs, codecs and audio DSPs), to dual sockets for a pair of quad core Xeons. Power, heat, cost, ease of development and availability vary accordingly.
):BTW: FPGA technology will (should) allow implementation of LVDS out among other things.
Bunsen wrote:Yep, that works tooTrash80toHP_Mini wrote:BTW, there are MUCH more efficient means of prototyping KBDs, one of which is to fab a fiberglas copper-clad etched PCB replacement for the bottom membrane, thus stiffening said spongeboard!
Bunsen wrote:Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:. . . and why would the interface need to be ADB?
Just for clarity, this thread is about two different hacks:Correct? ADB would only be required for the first hack."]
- G3 on original Duo logic board
- New logic in Duo shell
Bunsen wrote:I would assume replacing the original barely adequate heatsink was part of the equation when contemplating a CPU transplant.Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:will the adapted CPU interface efficiently with the Duo's heatsink?
Bunsen wrote:Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:]a "carrier" board in the Duo form factor that "bolts right up" to the Duo's magnesium frame and has the same (or improved replacements) I/O and battery connections (or an expansion bay and INTERNAL battery combo) and places a VERY CAPABLE CPU under the magnesium heat sink
Right, now I follow you. You want to make up a carrier board for an available logic board that breaks its I/O out to the Duo's physical ports, and to the LCD. Sounds eminently doable. Similar to the "stealth" casemods that have been performed on desktop machines, and eerily similar to a plan I've been slowly brewing for the much more spacious shell of a PB520/540.
Bunsen wrote:AFAIK, that heatsink is just a sheet of stamped aluminium, not magnesium. I have in the past had visions of a drop-in replacement in stamped copper, a low-profile finned copper heatsink, and/or a kludged in heatsink/heatpipe/fan combo out of another laptop.
Bunsen wrote:It does seem likely that the easiest and cheapest solution might be to rip apart a netbook and stuff that into the Duo.
Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:Duo's heatsink
Bunsen wrote:a drop-in replacement in stamped copper, a low-profile finned copper heatsink, and/or a kludged in heatsink/heatpipe/fan
Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:the entire magnesium frame of the Duo is the heatsink, the little projection is a heatpipe to the chassis.
Bunsen wrote:Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:the entire magnesium frame of the Duo is the heatsink, the little projection is a heatpipe to the chassis.
Do you actually mean a heatpipe as defined here, or just a chunk of metal?
factor. He said it ought to be a piece of cake and has already identified several very promising ProcCards!
. . . and my M. E. middle lil' bro, who does high end Blade Server Packaging for a living, knows rapid prototyping inside-n-out. If I twist his arm just a lil' he might be of great assistance to the project . . . or not! 

Bunsen wrote:DuoBuntu?

Trash80toHP_Mini wrote:... but reworking a QFP on a PCB is very likely beyond my present skill set.
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