Winter Warm Up 2010

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Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby wgoodf » 27 Nov 2009, 14:32

The site is up!

This year we have a DOOM competition too!

Roll Up - Roll Up!!
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby arfink » 02 Dec 2009, 18:46

So... get thee an entry together. And load your super shotgun, you got some frags to rack up!
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby MrMacPlus » 07 Dec 2009, 02:57

Ooh, I'm gonna play Doom sometime on the retrochallenge server. :rambo:
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby quinterro » 07 Dec 2009, 03:20

Any particular preferred flavor of DOOM?

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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby MrMacPlus » 07 Dec 2009, 05:28

Doom II, but I also have Doom I. If you want to play it with me we can schedule a time.
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby Nathan » 13 Dec 2009, 22:27

Personally, never played it. Does anyone know if there's a port, that works for multiplayer, for 68k macs?
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby wgoodf » 13 Dec 2009, 23:05

cant say for 68k but would doubt it - the version being used for the WWU is a universal binary so you are in if you have a PPC Mac thats good enough.
check out the doom-retrochallenge site and take it from there/
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby conceitedjerk » 15 Dec 2009, 23:46

Don't think I'm gonna enter this time 'round, since I seem to lose motivation rather quickly once something goes awry. So, unless I'm struck by a momentary spark of passion, a bout of genius, or when something obvious becomes even more so, I'll be cheering from the sidelines...

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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby wgoodf » 16 Dec 2009, 13:09

chesty i will miss you so!
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby Nathan » 16 Dec 2009, 19:48

wgoodf wrote:cant say for 68k but would doubt it - the version being used for the WWU is a universal binary so you are in if you have a PPC Mac thats good enough.
check out the doom-retrochallenge site and take it from there/


Ok. Well, thanks anyway.
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby conceitedjerk » 17 Dec 2009, 16:32

wgoodf wrote:chesty i will miss you so!


Awww, sorry mate. I can't bear to see you like this.

Just sent in my entry. I'll be resurrecting a few Amigas that have been comatose in the lab, namely my A4000D and both my A1200s, will probably do something with my A2000 and CDTV as well, with a dose of TRS-80 Model 100 for good measure.

Couldn't resist the pull after all... Everytime I think I'm out, they keep dragging me back in! :lol:
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby wgoodf » 17 Dec 2009, 17:03

conceitedjerk wrote:
wgoodf wrote:chesty i will miss you so!


Awww, sorry mate. I can't bear to see you like this.

Just sent in my entry. I'll be resurrecting a few Amigas that have been comatose in the lab, namely my A4000D and both my A1200s, will probably do something with my A2000 and CDTV as well, with a dose of TRS-80 Model 100 for good measure.

Couldn't resist the pull after all... Everytime I think I'm out, they keep dragging me back in! :lol:

Heck it's like you have to actually do anything- achievement has never stood in my way!
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby conceitedjerk » 18 Dec 2009, 04:38

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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby wgoodf » 24 Dec 2009, 20:38

merry xmas fellow RCers! :-*
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby conceitedjerk » 25 Dec 2009, 15:57

Indeed, Merry Christmas and all the best to you lot this holiday season!
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby Bunsen » 28 Dec 2009, 11:20

Hm, I am thinking of doing something with my Gameboy Advance (32 bit 16MHz ARM, original release date March 2001). Is that retro enough?

I mean I have a couple of original 8 bit Z80 Gameboys otherwise, but the GBA seems to be easier to develop for.
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby luddite » 28 Dec 2009, 23:06

The guideline for games and PDAs is ten-years-old as of the start of the competition, so you'd be a little shy with the GBA... developing something for the original GB would definitely put you in the running though.

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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby conceitedjerk » 29 Dec 2009, 00:41

Or the Gameboy Colour...
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby Anonymous Freak » 31 Dec 2009, 01:03

Alright, if I can dig the machines out of storage in the next two days; I'm going to use only machines that were current the day my step-son was born (September 25, 1994.) This means a PowerBook 540c for portable use, and a Power Macintosh 7100/66 for desktop use. (I may go for the 6100/60av; I haven't decided yet.) If I feel that I need a PDA, I'll use my Original Newton MessagePad. The mobile side will hinge heavily on if any of my PB500-series batteries still hold a charge. I have four PB5300-series batteries that hold a reasonable charge, but the PB5300 is too new for my personal deadline. (It was introduced in mid-to-late '95.)

For photos, I wish I had a QuickTake 100, but sadly, I only have a QuickTake 200. I'll have to fudge it and use that slightly-too-new hardware. Once the photos are transferred to computer via software, it doesn't really matter, anyway.

I will allow myself hardware upgrades and software that was available exactly ten years prior to the start of the warmup (as of 1/1/2000,) mostly to allow myself to use my WaveLAN card on the PowerBook. :-P (I can't remember if my PCMCIA cage is the one-and-only model that works with the PPC upgrade. If it is, I'll use my 520c with PPC upgrade instead of the 540c.) I was going to have the cutoff be my step-son's fifth birthday (9/25/1999,) but that would exclude Mac OS 9; and I feel like using OS 9.

I will also allow for security and bug-fix updates that are newer than 1/1/2000; but not major releases. So iCab 2.9.9 will be my web browser of choice. (I can justify that 2.9.9 is really just the last in a long line of bug-fix/security updates of the earliest version of iCab, right? :-P)

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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby conceitedjerk » 01 Jan 2010, 00:48

PPC ist verboten, mein freund:

2. In order to qualify, computer systems must use a pre-pentium processor... in general, this means 486 or below, 680x0 and pretty much everything with an 8-bit processor, but we'll also let you in if you have an old Cray kicking about.
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby Anonymous Freak » 01 Jan 2010, 00:50

conceitedjerk wrote:PPC ist verboten.


If 10-year-old game systems make the cut, why not a 15-year-old computer? (Heck, a Quadra 840 may very well be faster for many tasks than a Power Mac 7100/66. I've just found that iCab 2.9.9 on 68k makes many sites that I pretty much need to use unusable; while 2.9.9 on PPC works fine on the same sites.)

edit: Ah, now I see the 486/68040 specification in the rules....
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby conceitedjerk » 01 Jan 2010, 00:52

Beats me, mate. I don't write the song, I just sing it ;)

Still, if the 6100/66av were allowed, I'd resurrect mine in a heartbeat!
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby Osgeld » 01 Jan 2010, 00:58

most 10 year old game systems are 2 generations old, leaving them with (at best) small meg's of memory, and 10's of megahertz

This rule does need to be revised, under the current rules I can drop in with a 200mhz, 16mb,3d accelerated,networked, sega dreamcast. But cant use my 8mb 90mhz Pentium laptop :-/
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby Osgeld » 01 Jan 2010, 02:30

most 10 year old game systems are 2 generations old, leaving them with (at best) small meg's of memory, and 10's of megahertz


most 10 year old game systems are 2 generations old, leaving them with (at best) small meg's of memory, and 10's of megahertz *edit* BUT!
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Re: Winter Warm Up 2010

Postby luddite » 01 Jan 2010, 09:11

The rule regarding games/pdas is the result of sheer laziness and ignorance on my part... there just isn't a convenient cut-off as there is with computers. If anyone has any ideas on how to streamline the rules on games/pdas feel free to stop by the BBS and suggest away...

Previous experience has taught us that there's no point discussing the rules on this forum as we'll just end up with a bunch of folks complaining that their G5 should be allowed because it won't run Snow Leopard ;-)

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